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 Bad Beat, but should have I been in??, Risky Business, 2. Dec 2003 07:36 | ||
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| Multi-Table Tourney, 2nd Hour, 400 left of 1200. Table Texture is a bit tight, depending on who throws out the pre-flop raise. I'm in Big Blind with 9-9 and have been playing pretty solid. Nearly T1000 above average and 3rd-4th at my table. UTG+1 raises my T150 blind to T600. He's one of the big stacks and has done this a few times successfully. Everyone folds. I put him on a steal and go all-in with 2100. I can't call, can I? That would put me at 1500. Re-raise? He would lose half his stack of T4000 if he loses, so now I'm the one on a steal, right? I don't care to continue this hand, as with 9's, at best I'm in a coin flip. To me, all-in is my only play, or fold, because calling, or even re-raising, makes me pot committed with only T1500 left. He shows A-10 non-suited and catches 4 of a suit (while I caught another 9!!!) Comments? | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, but should have I been in??, ReMMy, 2. Dec 2003 08:45 | ||
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| If you felt it was time to make a move, then you made a good play. You got your money in with the best of it, and might possibly have taken the pot without seeing a flop... You could have flat called and not been pot commited. If the board looked good you could have gone all in then. | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, but should have I been in??, Schuster, 2. Dec 2003 10:00 | ||
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| Why can't you call? A fourth of your chips is far from pot committed. He should have laid it down, but just seeing the flop wouldn't be too bad. Big stacks in online tournaments like to gamble a lot it, unfortunately. Lee | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, but should have I been in??, Risky Business, 2. Dec 2003 10:24 | ||
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| You and ReMMY suggest flat calling. Putting in another 450 (now a fourth of my stack) to see a flop with 20 scare cards out (10, J, Q, K, A - 4 each) Hmmmmmm The flop was 3 suited cards, and I believe only 1 overcard, a King. I had him on 2 overs and was right. My hope was that he'd be more willing to give up 600, than 2100. Not sure I wouldn't do the same thing, with the same read. on 2. Dec 2003 10:00 Schuster wrote: > Why can't you call? A fourth of your chips is far from pot committed. He should > have laid it down, but just seeing the flop wouldn't be too bad. Big stacks in > online tournaments like to gamble a lot it, unfortunately. > > Lee | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, but should have I been in??, Schuster, 2. Dec 2003 10:39 | ||
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| Yeah, it can be tough to play a medium pair with an overcard or two on the flop. You get used to it after a while. But you have to respect his stack and his position. He's open raising with a lot of people still left to act, he has to have something. I'm not saying that flat calling was the correct play, I'm saying you could still consider it an option. Moving in here is dangerous, and since it is an online tournament, the chip leader may be the type to call with any hand he would open raise with in that spot. Then you're going all in on a slightly weighted coinflip, not what you want. Lee | ||
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| Re: Bad Beat, but should have I been in??, Risky Business, 2. Dec 2003 12:31 | ||
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| Yeah, I'm with ya. Like I said, I didn't want to be timid and call. (or wise and call :) I wanted him out of the pot. I thought going 4x the BB was a bit much of a raise for any premium hand. on 2. Dec 2003 10:39 Schuster wrote: > Yeah, it can be tough to play a medium pair with an overcard or two on the flop. You get used > to it after a while. But you have to respect his stack and his position. He's open raising > with a lot of people still left to act, he has to have something. I'm not saying that flat > calling was the correct play, I'm saying you could still consider it an option. Moving in here > is dangerous, and since it is an online tournament, the chip leader may be the type to call > with any hand he would open raise with in that spot. Then you're going all in on a slightly > weighted coinflip, not what you want. > > Lee | ||
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