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 NLHE Hand, Jae, 1. Dec 2003 01:46 | ||
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| Was this the right move? I am in a low limit .05/.10 NLHE game. I come to the table with $10 and pick up KQ in the BB on the first hand. There is a medium raise (.35 I think) from MP and two callers from the button and one off the button. It gets back to me and I call to see a flop. Should I fold here since I just sat down? I think that would be too tight or is this the right call here? Flop comes K 10 5 rainbow. I check as does the original raiser and LP. Button bets the pot of around $1.75. I think my KQ is probably good and I want to raise to find out. I raise him another $1.75. Is this too small or just right? Everyone folds to the button who calls. Turn comes Qc making 2 clubs on the board. I push my last $6 into the $9 or so pot, and the button thinks for a while and calls. River comes J, and I lose to A4 clubs. First off, at any point did I play this hand wrong? Secondly, did the button have the right odds to call a bet on the river? I know he had a gutshot straight and the nut flush draw, but it doesn't seem like the right call in the long run. He had 12 outs with 46 cards left, about a 1 in 4 chance to hit and win. The pot would be calling $6 to win $15, about 2.5 to 1 right? What are your thoughts and am I looking at this the right way? | ||
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| Re: NLHE Hand, Aisthesis, 1. Dec 2003 11:23 | ||
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| Hmmmm... Safe is indeed in my opinion folding to the pre-flop raise, but I think I would usually have gone ahead and called it, as you did. What I don't really like is the check on the flop. If you're going to play it all, I think you need to bet when you get a flop you like. And frankly, I think the reason the AXs stayed in is because it looked like no one else really had anything substantial--the button's bet looked like a pot-buy and your check-call certainly didn't represent anything very dangerous--possibly just hope. I think betting out on the flop would have been better--with some caution if someone calls or plays back at you. Your turn bet was fine--once you have the two pair, you've got a really good hand, and the flush draw did not have the odds to call it. | ||
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| Re: NLHE Hand, Jae, 1. Dec 2003 15:13 | ||
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| I was in the BB, so first to bet on the flop, and that is why I checked. I knew someone would bet, and I put in a check-raise, not a check-call. I thought that was a strong play, but maybe I am wrong. The button said afterwards, he thought I had two pair, but he felt he could catch his draws, lol, I guess he was right. | ||
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| Re: NLHE Hand, Aisthesis, 1. Dec 2003 16:44 | ||
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| ok, sorry about that... that's what you said in the post. I don't think top pair is really strong enough for a check-raise in that situation, though--you're putting more money in the pot than you really should be at that stage, I think. And you don't really know what the pre-flop raiser was raising with, could've easily been AA, KK or AK. | ||
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| Re: NLHE Hand, Jae, 1. Dec 2003 21:20 | ||
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| Yeah you are probably right. I felt the problem with just smooth calling is I face another big bet I am sure on the Turn no matter what hits. In this case, he would then bet the $5 or so which is in the pot after the flop, and I would raise all in with KQ, and he would have an easy call to chase his flush because he only has to call another $2 or so. With me check raising, I find out where I am. I felt the smooth call by the button showed I was ahead, and then the Q on the turn put me way ahead. That is why I pushed in here, a $6 bet is much stronger then a $2 raise at this point. I probably should have came out betting from the start, but then I felt I wouldn't know what the players had behind me if they just call because like you said they could easily have KK, AA, or AK. By check raising, I felt I could find out if the original raiser raised me instead of folding, then I would have known I was in some trouble, and probably been able to get away from the hand. Maybe I am not thinking right there, but I still think this was probably my best play other than folding preflop because I was in really bad position. | ||
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| Re: NLHE Hand, chmurray, 2. Dec 2003 20:45 | ||
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| just my opionion (i play at that level alot also), but you pretty much have to bet. Check raising is pointless b/c all you're doing is broadcasting strength.. they'll call anyway... remember, these players don't know how to raise, you can be 95% confident that they're holding AK, AA, a set, or two pair if they raise.... | ||
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