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 calling raises, mfs, 30. Nov 2003 19:56 | ||
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| lets say that I am playing in a typical 4-8 B&M holdem game. I typically never call a raise from the small blind with AJ offsuite unless I think the person who is raising is trying to steal the blinds or they are a very loose raiser. Do you think this is playing to tight? I believe that if I make this call it will put me in a difficult situation if an ace flops. What i would really be hoping for is to flop a Jack, or two pair. | ||
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| Re: calling raises, Angel, 1. Dec 2003 00:18 | ||
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| "I typically never call a raise from the small blind with AJ offsuite unless I think the person who is raising is trying to steal the blinds or they are a very loose raiser. Do you think this is playing to tight?" Yes, I think it is too tight although the post shows that you're adopting a good understand of the game. The term 'very loose raiser' is pretty relative but if the raiser is the first one in and is on the button or cut-off, then he's supposed to raise with a large number of hands - most of which AJ beat. Granted your position is terrible but I am the second one in - I may 3-bet him if only to get the BB out. I may still be an underdog but if the BB would call one bet but not two without a premium hand (which is often the case) I'll shut him out while sending a message to the raiser that I wil not go quietly into the night. I find it valuable to play back at a raiser sometimes if only to have him fear you a bit. Now you don't want to do this indiscriminately - but AJ isn't a terrible hand and the extra equity you get by shutting the BB out makes the play correct in my book (against most 'very' loose players). If I think that the raiser is trying to steal the blinds - I'm either going to let him - or three bet him. If you never 3-bet a raiser from the steal position then you are giving them a license to steal from you. As a matter of fact - if you never 3-bet and call only half the time, then he should always raise you. "I believe that if I make this call it will put me in a difficult situation if an ace flops. What i would really be hoping for is to flop a Jack, or two pair." It might, thats true. It's also true that the real money in holdem is made after the flop - not before. Concentrate on what you would do against that notorious loose raiser in your game when an ace flops. If an ace doesn't flop. Develop a plan before you sit down - You have AJo, the cutoff raises - you call, BB folds and the flop comes AT3. What do you do? What does he do? What does he do if you do it differently? You can overthink at the table - but you can't overthink at home before the game. | ||
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| Re: calling raises, Chris W, 1. Dec 2003 06:08 | ||
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| I think you have the right idea. Angel's post is good advice about how to deal with a raise that may be a steal. The only thing I would add is that you may still want to fold this hand if the steal raiser is a complete rock who won't be lowering his opening standards . Against a legitimate raise this is definitely a trouble hand and will often get you into a situation where you have reverse implied odds. If you flop an ace and play it aggressively one of two things will happen: your opponent will back off and you can only win a small pot or you will lose a lot of chips against his AK or AQ. if the pre flop raiser is loose it's still not a great situation because your position is awful. I would be even more inclined to pass it if there are others that have cold called the raise. | ||
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| Re: calling raises, mfs, 1. Dec 2003 12:17 | ||
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| I just don't think you would be giving much up if you were to fold everytime it was raised with AJ offsuite. I agree you should sometimes playback at someone you think is raising light, however, If you believe the raise is legitamate I think it is a good idea to fold.You have bad position, and your hand may be dominated. I may change my mind if the other players are very passive after the flop and I think I can outplay them. What about a hand like kq offsuite? At least with this hand you have an opportunity to flop an open ended straight draw. | ||
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| Re: calling raises, noiseboy, 1. Dec 2003 16:18 | ||
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| With both those hands, I'm going to 3-bet if there is a raise from MP or later from someone who could have a wide variety of hands. One key thing to keep in mind is that the fewer players in the hand, especially if nobody came in the first few spots, the less likely you are to be dominated by a hand like AK or AQ. So ask yourself, where did the raise come from? and who raised? The answer to these to questions will help you determine whether to raise or fold. Most of the time, you should only just call when there are some people other than you and the raiser in the pot. Heads-up initiative is HUGE, so raise it up or dump it. | ||
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| Re: calling raises, Chris W, 1. Dec 2003 17:39 | ||
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| This seems a little more aggressive than I would recommend as a general strategy. KQ is a decent hand but it's still an underdog to any ace or any pair. There are a lot of low limits players where the initiative doesn't mean all that much ... They will pay you off with bottom pair regardless of how hard you play your hand and even call you down with their ace. I personally would rather wait for a better situation but this may work for some players. | ||
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