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 HELP - Need some Final Table advice, garry gates, 28. Nov 2003 14:22 | ||
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| Recently I took part in a small Multi-Table Hold'em Tournament at the Seneca Gaming and Entertainment Casino in Irving, NY. The tournament started with 55 players, with a buy-in of $23. Players begin with 300 chips each, and are allowed unlimited buy ins for the first 2 rounds. A player may buy-in for $10 as soon as they drop below 300 chips. The first hour of the tournament is limit hold'em, and after that, the remainder of the tournament is No Limit. At the end of the first hour, remaining players are allowed a $10 add-on, which gives them 500 additional chips to start the NL round. Blinds begin at 25/25 to start level 1. The tournament paid the top 5 players. After about 3 hours of play, the field of 55 was reduced to 10 - and I had made the final table. As a result of a couple of calls I did not make, I dropped from 9700 in chips - one of the tournament leaders - to having a meager 3500 left. I estimate that I was probably 9th out of 10 in stack size, with the 10th player sitting immediately to my right. The blinds at this point were 2000/1000 - with a 300 chip ante. The dealer dealt for the button, and the lucky player sat 4 seats to my right, meaning that I would only see two hands before the blinds got to me. The first hand I was dealt was 8/2 offsuit... so I tossed it. I was happy to see two players eliminated from the table on the first hand - the problem was that they both sat to my right... so instead of seeing two "free" hands (not counting the ante) - i was only able to see one before I was forced to put my money in the blinds... After the 300 ante, and 2000 chip BB, I had 900 in chips left... When I looked down at my starting cards, I was disgusted to see 6/4 offsuit... A player two seats to my left called for 2000, and everyone folded to the dealer... (SB was a dead SB). The button player looked at the size of my stack, and began to count his chips. I knew he was about to push them all in. He only had 4900 - and he did indeed announce his all in bet. My thought process was nauseating. I thought that if I called the bet, I'd be putting my tournament life on the line for a less than marginal hand... I assumed the caller had high cards, as he was in very early position, and had a medium-sized stack - compared to the rest of the players at the table. The button player had been playing aggressively most of the night - but because of the fact that he did not have many chips left, and could afford to sit tight for 7 more hands, before he was forced to front the blinds, I assumed he had a solid hand. My decision? I folded..... I'd hoped to be dealt a better hand for the SB, and double or triple up - which would've allowed me to sit tight - and hope a few more players got knocked out before me - or at least get a hand better than 6/4 off... to move all in with. The remaining two players turned their cards over. The original caller held J/10 offsuit, and the dealer turned over pocket 5's. The flop..... A, 9, 6, rainbow. I thought to myself - "wow.... I folded the winner." The turn - another 6. At this point, I was clawing through my skin under the table - so angry that I'd folded. The river was a 2 - didn't help anyone, and the pocket 5's won the pot.... I know you cannot base your decisions on the result of the board AFTER you fold your hand - poker is not a game of would'ves and could'ves... My question, then, is .... should I have threw in the rest of my stack - and took the chance on the 6/4.....? Oh... and in case you were wondering..... My small blind hand was 7/2 offsuit..... beat by trip Queens. : ) I finished 8th. Any help would be appreciated, in the event that a similar situation occurs in the future. Thanks. GG | ||
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| Re: HELP - Need some Final Table advice, ReMMy, 29. Nov 2003 14:03 | ||
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| Garry, I think in this case you have to call, and here is my reasoning; 1. If you fold you will be all in with a random hand next turn anyways, and who knows how many people it will be against. 2. If you win this hand you will have over 10K in chips and a very good shot at making the money, if you lose and manage to triple up you will still be in trouble. 3. There is a chance that the limper will fold which would add 2k in dead money to the pot. If you had enough chips to make it through the SB and pay antes for another round, folding might look better... Imagine finding yourself in this position 10 times, would you rather fold each time and be left with 2-5k IF you triple up in the SB, or take your 10K+ stack the 1 or 2 times you get lucky? I'm interested to hear if any other experienced tourney players disagree with my opinion... Good times, ReMMy | ||
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| Re: HELP - Need some Final Table advice, LJH, 29. Nov 2003 17:35 | ||
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| gary, it is so easy to kick your self after the fact, but you did the right thing, ljh | ||
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| Re: HELP - Need some Final Table advice, palman, 30. Nov 2003 02:35 | ||
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| I think you have to call here.... simply because its 900 chips to win 10k, which you must win 3-4 all ins to get to anyways if you fold. The odds of you winning that many hands can't be better than your chances with the 64 here so I'd go with it. | ||
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| Re: HELP - Need some Final Table advice, Raodwarior, 30. Nov 2003 17:18 | ||
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| Isn't that a fun tourney. You were just in a tough spot and it figures the cards would drop once you mucked. I was watching in between hands a table over. Better luck next week. See ya then. | ||
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| Re: HELP - Need some Final Table advice, noiseboy, 10. Dec 2003 09:38 | ||
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| This gets back to a debate about the small connectors from a couple of weeks ago, but if you put both of them on high cards, you are likely not as bad off as you might think with two completely live low cards. 64 is a pretty crappy hand, true, but you have to play with the odds that the pot is offering you compared to the alternative of getting so low that you have to survive several all-ins in a row. This is of course a play that you only make because you are desperate anyway, and you have a chance to win a decent sized pot which will get you past the bubble. In this case I would think that gambling with two live cards is the lesser of two evils. | ||
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