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 When is Enough, Enough?, csi, 28. Nov 2003 08:46 | ||
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| Hi Everyone, I see from the earlier post " Quitting a Loser " that it may not be a good idea to quit when your stuck as long as your mentally tough. However, how much should you lose in a session before you should consider throwing in the towel. I've been in a situation where I've been stuck from the start and I wait and wait for the good opportunities and I still lose. It seems I can't do anything right. Just the other day, I never saw a flop for 5 rounds and then I limped with pocket 5's in the cut off seat. 6 players saw the flop and I flopped a set and lost a huge pot to a back door flush. ( And believe me I pounded my set, because I didn't want any cheap draw outs ) C'est La Vie I guess! My question is how many beats should you be willing to take in a session. At This point in the game I was down 1500 or so in a 20-40 game. I would like to know from some of you Pros, how much you lose in a session when you decide to quit a game. Is 30, 40, 50 big bets too much to lose in a session? | ||
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| Re: When is Enough, Enough?, Piers Majestyk, 28. Nov 2003 09:33 | ||
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| Hello csi, I am in the club that thinks that if you are a winning player and playing within your bankroll that you shouldn't quit the game just because you are losing (in your case less than 40 BB) if you think you are in a good game. I have been down 100 BB a couple of times in online sessions playing multiple tables and kept on playing and both times emerged in the positive but that said I never go on tilt and continue to play solid poker. If the losing affects your play at the table so that you are starting with cards that you normally wouldn't play if you were not stuck than perhaps you should set some kind of stop loss. That is a major leak in some very good players is that they just can't handle when they are running bad and they compound that error by trying to recover it at a higher limit or play subpar in the limit they are at. Some people say that others will take shots at you when you are running poorly so it is better to stop, I say to hell with that let them take their shots at me because my game ain't changed even if I have been getting my butt kicked so when I raise UTG come on in and three bet me you're going to be the first victim in my recovery. The key is are you a winning player and is your play affected by losing sessions, if so I think you should stop say after 1000.00 loss at 2040 but you should work toward not letting negative swings affect your play, stay within your gameplan and try to keep the long term game approach. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: When is Enough, Enough?, Aisthesis, 28. Nov 2003 10:45 | ||
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| While I'm far from a pro, I can sometimes lose my whole buy-in and still come right back and re-buy--particularly if it's a table (I'm playing NL here) where one or more crazy is frequently going all-in, and I feel secure in knowing when I have the odds to call (obviously, it's also quite possible to lose on these things, but as long as I will beat the average hand someone's going all in with at least, say, 55% of the time, I'll call it). But I think it's really a question of maintaining the right attitude toward losses as well as wins. As long as your question is, "Is this a good bet?" you'll be playing well. If you get into the mindset, "Oh my God! I've got to win all that back now!" and allow that to influence your game, then you're in trouble (i.e., on tilt and should leave or sit out until you've pulled yourself together). Sounds to me like your bet on the set was quite good, but there's really no way to avoid losing sometimes on good bets (which by my definition are bets that will, repeating the same situation with the same unknowns, yield net earnings in the long-run). | ||
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| Re: When is Enough, Enough?, Blade, 28. Nov 2003 11:06 | ||
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| I'm not a pro but I don't let my results determine how long I play at all. What I do though is play in specific time increments. I have noticed that I my play is not as sharp after 4 straight hours. Hence, I make sure that I take atleast a 30 minute (1hr if down significantly) break after every 4 hours. This lets me clear my mind and reexamin why and how I am playing. Futhermore I will only play 3 4hour sessions max in one day. Sounds like a lot but 13hrs can fly but especially at a B&M. | ||
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| Re: When is Enough, Enough?, Flakes, 28. Nov 2003 14:01 | ||
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| on 28. Nov 2003 11:06 Blade wrote: > I'm not a pro but I don't let my results determine how long I play at all. What I do > though is play in specific time increments. I have noticed that I my play is not as > sharp after 4 straight hours. Hence, I make sure that I take atleast a 30 minute > (1hr if down significantly) break after every 4 hours. This lets me clear my mind > and reexamin why and how I am playing. Futhermore I will only play 3 4hour sessions > max in one day. Sounds like a lot but 13hrs can fly but especially at a B&M. hmmm, your play isn't as sharp after 4 hours - why isn't it? I would re-examine as to "why" that is such if I were you, because if you can muster up 13 hours of playing time in any one given day at a B&M, you should be able (I would think) to put in a session that is longer than 4 hours and still play a strong game. Taking breaks is cool though, just don't take long ones if you don't have to, hence, you are playing well and the game is juicy. If the game is great and/or you are crushing them, then glue your ass to the chair and take your break later! Flakes- | ||
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| Re: When is Enough, Enough?, Brian Starr, 2. Dec 2003 00:33 | ||
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| I like your approach Blade, I also tend to lose focus and concentration after 3 1/2-4 hours. Sometimes all your body needs is a short relaxing break, and then its back to the battle! No use staying in a juicy game if you aren't able to take advantage of it. | ||
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