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 Small Blind Play, 3Kings, 28. Nov 2003 08:03 | ||
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| I was playing in an online $2-4 game. I'm in the small blind with 52c. 3 players limp in and i decide to call the rest of my small blind getting 9 to 1 odds. The big blind raises. Everyone calls. Flop comes As 3c4c giving me the straight and a flush draw. I decided to go ahead and bet the pot figuring no one would believe I have the stragiht.. Flop is capped with two other players in the hand. I am able to check-raise the turn but when the board pairs on the river, I decide to just check and call if it is bet. There is no bet and I win a big pot followed by ridicule from the BB. My pre-flop thinking was for 9 to 1 odds, I could call 1/2 a small bet. When it got raised and everyone called, I was getting the same odds. If the flop doesn't help me, stragiht, flush or at least two pair, I could fold. Was getting 9 to 1 odds (plus all the implied odds from the straight or flush...i know the flush would be the lowest but not too often two players have flushes) worth the call before the flop? What are the proper odds needed to call a bad hand in the blinds? Note: I would not have played this hand in any other position other than the BB or if I had posted in late position. IF there had been a raise from any player other than the BB, I would have mucked it as my odds would have been closer to about 4 to 1. | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, Blade, 28. Nov 2003 11:54 | ||
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| I think once you decided to call from the small blind initially, you were right to call the additional bet. | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, Wren, 28. Nov 2003 14:36 | ||
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| It might seem tempting to play crappy hands from the SB because of good pot odds, but the problem is that now you're playing the rest of the hand in the worst possible position, and, well, you have really crappy cards to play with. This means that you have to hit the flop really hard, have at least one other person hit the board less hard, AND play the flop & onward very well in order to win a nice pot in that situation. In your case, yeah, you hit the dream flop, but even still, you lost a bet or two on the end because of your lack of position. All in all, why take part in such a dicey situation? You're going to lose money if you continuously come in on the blinds with cards like that. on 28. Nov 2003 08:03 3Kings wrote: > I was playing in an online $2-4 game. I'm in the small blind with 52c. 3 > players limp in and i decide to call the rest of my small blind getting 9 to 1 > odds. The big blind raises. Everyone calls. Flop comes As 3c4c giving me the > straight and a flush draw. I decided to go ahead and bet the pot figuring no > one would believe I have the stragiht.. Flop is capped with two other players > in the hand. I am able to check-raise the turn but when the board pairs on the > river, I decide to just check and call if it is bet. There is no bet and I win > a big pot followed by ridicule from the BB. > > My pre-flop thinking was for 9 to 1 odds, I could call 1/2 a small bet. When > it got raised and everyone called, I was getting the same odds. If the flop > doesn't help me, stragiht, flush or at least two pair, I could fold. > > Was getting 9 to 1 odds (plus all the implied odds from the straight or > flush...i know the flush would be the lowest but not too often two players have > flushes) worth the call before the flop? What are the proper odds needed to > call a bad hand in the blinds? > > Note: I would not have played this hand in any other position other than the BB > or if I had posted in late position. IF there had been a raise from any player > other than the BB, I would have mucked it as my odds would have been closer to > about 4 to 1. > | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, gary ford, 28. Nov 2003 14:59 | ||
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| welcome back, Wren---same to Studioh | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, Wren, 28. Nov 2003 15:04 | ||
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| Tx Gary...feels good to be back! I don't think stdio's been on at all recently, but I'll let him know that "his presence is requested" ;) on 28. Nov 2003 14:59 gary ford wrote: > welcome back, Wren---same to Studioh | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, Flakes, 28. Nov 2003 15:04 | ||
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| THIS, is a great answer! on 28. Nov 2003 14:36 Wren wrote: > It might seem tempting to play crappy hands from the SB because of good pot odds, but > the problem is that now you're playing the rest of the hand in the worst possible > position, and, well, you have really crappy cards to play with. This means that you > have to hit the flop really hard, have at least one other person hit the board less > hard, AND play the flop & onward very well in order to win a nice pot in that > situation. In your case, yeah, you hit the dream flop, but even still, you lost a > bet or two on the end because of your lack of position. > > All in all, why take part in such a dicey situation? You're going to lose money if > you continuously come in on the blinds with cards like that. > > on 28. Nov 2003 08:03 3Kings wrote: > > I was playing in an online $2-4 game. I'm in the small blind with 52c. 3 > > players limp in and i decide to call the rest of my small blind getting 9 to 1 > > odds. The big blind raises. Everyone calls. Flop comes As 3c4c giving me the > > straight and a flush draw. I decided to go ahead and bet the pot figuring no > > one would believe I have the stragiht.. Flop is capped with two other players > > in the hand. I am able to check-raise the turn but when the board pairs on the > > river, I decide to just check and call if it is bet. There is no bet and I win > > a big pot followed by ridicule from the BB. > > > > My pre-flop thinking was for 9 to 1 odds, I could call 1/2 a small bet. When > > it got raised and everyone called, I was getting the same odds. If the flop > > doesn't help me, stragiht, flush or at least two pair, I could fold. > > > > Was getting 9 to 1 odds (plus all the implied odds from the straight or > > flush...i know the flush would be the lowest but not too often two players have > > flushes) worth the call before the flop? What are the proper odds needed to > > call a bad hand in the blinds? > > > > Note: I would not have played this hand in any other position other than the BB > > or if I had posted in late position. IF there had been a raise from any player > > other than the BB, I would have mucked it as my odds would have been closer to > > about 4 to 1. > > | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, 3Kings, 29. Nov 2003 07:48 | ||
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| Wren, I agree that I got the best possible flop that I could get and that I will lose more times than not. For 9 small bets, I'll call one more. When it got raised, I still had 9 to 1 odds to keep going. If the flop doesn't hit me at all, I fold and lose 1 1/2 small bets. If I flop a draw, I know it will oost me some more, but again the odds (plus implied odds)will be there on any draw. I also don't play this type of hand too often for the obvious reasons. If there had been a raise before I entered the pot, I would have folded without hesitation. The BB had raised before, but, that was usually when only one or two players had limped in, I didn't expect him to raise in this spot. I looked up this situation with Advanced Hold Em by Sklansky, he said if it is only going to cost you a fraction of a bet, you should play "more loose..." and "...play hands like 86o, any two suited cards, or any ace..." . | ||
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| Re: Small Blind Play, noiseboy, 1. Dec 2003 16:37 | ||
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| I like the play. 52s is pretty weak, but if the price is right from the SB, then go for it as long as you realize you need to hit the flop HARD, which you seem quite aware of. I like this type of hand better when it's 2/3 SB, but if enough players are in, you can follow the S&M idea of playing anything reasonable because of the price even when the SB is 1/2. I'm also quite sure that all the players who called you a retard probably gave you lots of action after that, so there is advertising and tilt value to the play as well. | ||
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