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 First Live Tourney, mroban, 27. Nov 2003 05:49 | ||
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| I was travelling in LA and played in the Hollywood Park tournament. What a blast! $30 buyin with unlimited rebuys in the first 2 rounds and then an optional double or single add on. Nice mix of experienced players and newbies. Unfortunately I didn't do as well as I would have liked, busting out about half way. I had built a stack up to T2200 and the blinds were at 100-200 when the following hand occurred (I think I totally misplayed it): I am dealt AQs in EP. I raise 400 and the player immediately to my left cold calls. All else fold. The flop comes AT5 rainbow. I decide to check fearing he had AK (HUGE MISTAKE!!) and figuring if not, I am way ahead. He checks too. The turn brings a J which sends me into a panic. He could easily have had AJ or just hit a set of Jacks. I check again and he excitedly bets out 500. I am beat. I fold and tell him I just think he made his set and show him AQ. He shows me his jacks. A rousing chorus of "unbelievalbe laydown" etc. ensue. Fact is, I blew the hand. I should have put him to the test on the flop. Odds of him holding AA or AK is small compared to other hands. If I set him all in, there is no way he would have called (he was a very solid player and would not have called off his whole stack on a two outer). Damn!! Two hands later, I get TT in EP and make another 400 raise. All fold except the button. The flop comes with all undercards. I raises and he re-raises allin immediately with no hesitation. Again, he either had AA, KK or just made a set. I fold. I am now down to around 800 after my blinds and the blinds are now raised to 100-200. I get AQ again in SB and after 5 players limp in, I decide to take a shot and raise allin. Everyone folds except the big stack to my right who apologizes and shows me 56s. "Sorry dude, I was already in the pot". He had around T4500 so calling another 600 I guess seemed reasonable to him. Flop comes 774 with no flush possibilities for him. Turn is another 7 and of course the river is a 5. I am busted out. But what fun. Can't wait to go back and play again. | ||
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| Re: First Live Tourney, Roy Cooke, 27. Nov 2003 07:14 | ||
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| First I would have bet the flop with the first AQ...when you give a player a free shot to beat you and he does so, you have made a big mistake....The mistake is even bigger if he would have folded his hand. You definitely should have bet! On the second AQ hand, I would NOT have raised pre-flop... might if I think I would get a lot of folders (Which you did and may be your reasoning), but generally I would se if I flop a hand and give myself more shots if I did not hit the flop. You get to see a lot more hands since the button is coming next! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke on 27. Nov 2003 05:49 mroban wrote: > I was travelling in LA and played in the Hollywood Park tournament. What a > blast! $30 buyin with unlimited rebuys in the first 2 rounds and then an > optional double or single add on. Nice mix of experienced players and > newbies. > > Unfortunately I didn't do as well as I would have liked, busting out about half > way. I had built a stack up to T2200 and the blinds were at 100-200 when the > following hand occurred (I think I totally misplayed it): > > I am dealt AQs in EP. I raise 400 and the player immediately to my left cold > calls. All else fold. > > The flop comes AT5 rainbow. I decide to check fearing he had AK (HUGE > MISTAKE!!) and figuring if not, I am way ahead. He checks too. The turn brings > a J which sends me into a panic. He could easily have had AJ or just hit a set > of Jacks. I check again and he excitedly bets out 500. I am beat. I fold and > tell him I just think he made his set and show him AQ. He shows me his jacks. > A rousing chorus of "unbelievalbe laydown" etc. ensue. > > Fact is, I blew the hand. I should have put him to the test on the flop. Odds > of him holding AA or AK is small compared to other hands. If I set him all in, > there is no way he would have called (he was a very solid player and would not > have called off his whole stack on a two outer). > > Damn!! Two hands later, I get TT in EP and make another 400 raise. All fold > except the button. The flop comes with all undercards. I raises and he > re-raises allin immediately with no hesitation. Again, he either had AA, KK or > just made a set. I fold. I am now down to around 800 after my blinds and the > blinds are now raised to 100-200. > > I get AQ again in SB and after 5 players limp in, I decide to take a shot and > raise allin. Everyone folds except the big stack to my right who apologizes and > shows me 56s. "Sorry dude, I was already in the pot". He had around T4500 so > calling another 600 I guess seemed reasonable to him. > > Flop comes 774 with no flush possibilities for him. Turn is another 7 and of > course the river is a 5. I am busted out. > > But what fun. Can't wait to go back and play again. > | ||
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| Re: First Live Tourney, mroban, 27. Nov 2003 18:03 | ||
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| Roy: Totally agree with you on the first one. I blew it, shoulda bet. No question. On the second one though, I was pretty short stacked at 800 with a 200 blind coming up. I was in the SB and was already in for 100. I really thought I had a great chance for everyone to fold and take the 500 that was already in the pot plus the BB. That would have been 700 and almost doubling up without having to play the hand! I dont think AQ plays that well against 5 players which is what I would have had with a flat call. If I made a modest raise of 400 that was half my stack and I basically am pot committed. I think I made the right play there!! Thanks for your input. | ||
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| Re: First Live Tourney, Mark Barnett II, 4. Dec 2003 11:12 | ||
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| think he is saying limp in to see the flop costs you 100 leaving you with 600, if you dont hit the flop run away to fight another day *your not so short a stack that you cant survive the blinds one more time* the problem with going all in is what happened the big stack calls you since its only 3XBB with a somewhat hand and beats you *small risk for knocking out a player* also you have so many already in the pot that someone could have something to call you with also if you see the flop get and Ace or Queen you go all in then since first to bet and same scenario except now you know your hand has something Rule #1 of Poker Circumstances alter cases Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1 | ||
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| Re: First Live Tourney, hokie95, 4. Dec 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Here's a statement that I know will cause Roy to realize he is smart and knowledgeable: I agree with Roy on this one. (see, told you, I bet he's beaming with pride right now.) You had 5 limpers plus the BB you needed to get to fold. The BB is probably at least a 85-90% chance he'll fold, just assuming the likelihood the BB has a playable hand at all, and that, if the BB even has a playable hand, it's a hand that will call a bet for 600 more in such bad position. So that leaves 5 limpers. That's your problem, in my mind. If I am in late position and see that there have been 4 limpers ahead of me, I might lower my starting requirements to a drawing hand -- like 65s and limp in with it -- such that I am likely to call for 600 more. I know it won't ever cost me any more than that once everyone folds -- you're all in -- and there is 1800 in the pot already. I get paid 3 to 1 on that call. Plus, what you did probably looked exactly like what it was -- a steal attempt that anyone with a half decent hand and a decent chip stack will defend against. Of course, I have hindsight. But you had a drawing hand and expecting 6 people to fold to a 3x BB bet at that stage seems unlikely. I'd limp and fold when the flop was so horrendous. As always, I may be an idiot. If so, someone please tell me the flaws in my thinking. | ||
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| Re: First Live Tourney, mroban, 7. Dec 2003 16:47 | ||
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| Seems like most people agree with Roy so I will assume I am the idiot and give respect to people with far more experience than myself!! Thanks for the input guys. Just because I almost pulled it off and got beat on the river doesn't mean I made the right decision. Great stuff. MR | ||
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