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 ADAM GETS THREE QUARTERS OF A BIG ONE, ADAM THE EXPERT, 26. Nov 2003 19:37 | ||
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| OK, HERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, FOR THOSE ONE YOU WHO ARE, OR WILL, GET INVOLVED IN POT LIMIT OMAHA (HIGH LOW). THE DREADED "QUARTERIZATION" (AS IT'S CALLED IN ANCHORAGE) NOW, NORMALLY, ADAM THE EXPERT TEACHES YOU TO NOT EVEN THINK OF THE WORD "QUARTERED". I FIND IT VERY FUNNY, THE WAY PEOPLE CARRY ON, AS THOUGH THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THEIR THUMBS CUT OFF WITH A MEAT CLEAVER, IF THEY EVER HAD THE "HORRIBLE" EVENT HAPPEN, AND ONLY GOT A QUARTER OF THE POT. BUT, AS WITH EVERYTHING IN LIFE, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS IF YOU ARE PLAYING A GOOD SIZED LIMIT, SUCH AS 30-60, AND ARE HEADS UP, OR AGAINST A KNOWN GOOD PLAYER, YOU SHOULD START TO THINK ABOUT THE DANGERS OF QUARTERIZATION. AND, IF YOU ARE PLAYING POT LIMIT, ESPECIALLY WITH A BIG STACK, THEN THE WORDS "QUARTER" SHOULD BE TATTOOED ON THE BACKS ON YOUR HANDS, SO YOU DON'T FORGET. ANYWAY, THIS WILL BE LONG, SO PLEASE BARE WITH ME. THIS WILL TEACH YOU THE THOUGHT PROCESSES, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN POT LIMIT OMAHA. ALSO, IT WILL SHOW YOU ONE EXCEPTION TO MY FAMOUS "COMPLEX MATH USUALLY DOESN'T MATTER" RULE. LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE MONEY FAVORITE, AFTER THE TURN CARD. (NOTE: THIS "THREAD" IS NOT FOR THE BEGINNERS, SORRY) HERE IN ALASKA, AND IN SOME OTHER PLACES, WE PLAY WITH FIVE, YES (5) CARDS, AS OPPOSED TO FOUR. THEY CALL IS "CINCINATTI" (NOT REAL CINCINATTI, THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY CALL IT) NOW, FIRST THING YOU SHOULD KNOW, IS THAT ADAM THE EXPERT ENTERED THE GAME, WHEN EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE CASINO OWNER, HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 20 HOURS, AND ARE STUCK AND TIRED. IN SECOND TO LAST POSITION (NO, I WON'T EVER IN A MILLION YEARS, USE THE DISCUSTING TERM "CUTOFF") ADAM THE EXPERT PICKS UP AN A 2 3 4 K TWICE SUITED, BUT NOT A GOOD TWICE SUITED (ACE IS NOT SUITED UP) THE OWNER RAISES THE $5 BLIND, TO 25, AND ADAM THE EXPERT MAKES IT $80 TO GO, ATTEMPTING TO INCREASE THE VALUE, OF MY SMALL FLUSH DRAWS. (KNOWN IN CAPPALETTIESE AS THE "PROMOTIONAL" RAISE EVERYONE FOLDS, AND THE ORIGINAL RAISER, COMES BACK FOR ANOTHER $200 yIKES ! ! ! AA 2 HAND? !! ! OR, JUST STUCK AND STEAMING? WELL, WE BOTH HAVE $3000 OR SO LEFT, SO I CALL, HOPING FOR A BOARD THAT WILL GIVE ME THREE QUARTERS. ALSO, SINCE HE IS STUCK AND STEAMING, HE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE AN A 2, BUT RATHER SOMETHING LIKE AA3 SO, ADAM THE EXPERT CALLS THE $200 NOW, THE FLOP WAS A DISSAPOINTING Q 3 6 RAINBOW, GIVING M E BASICALLY BUPKIS. BUT, I HAD JUST WON A $2800 POT, SO I DECIDED TO GAMBLE ON ANOTHER CARD, HOPING FOR A 5, 3, KING, OR EVEN AN ACE THE TURN, WAS THE 8 d, GIVING ME NUT LOW, WITH BACKUP PROTECTION, A MICRO FLUSH DRAW, AND MY PAIR OF THREES. I GET $1000 BET INTO ME, LESS THAN HE COULD HAVE BET. WELL, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS AS THOUGH ADAM THE EXPERT IS ABOUT TO LOSE $1100 FROM MY STACK IF I CALL, BUT GAIN $550 FROM THE POT, IF I CALL AND GET A QUARTER. BUT, WHAT ARE MY CHANCES OF THREE-QUARTERING MY OPPONENT? DO I ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE AT A COMPLETE SCOOPER DOOPER?!!? I'M ABOUT TO RUN, TO GO TO ANOTHER POT LIMIT GAME, SO, I WILL ASK AN EXPERT, SUCH AS MARK G. TO COMPUTE WHO WAS THE MONEY FAVORITE. ANYWAY, THE RIVER WAS A FOUR, GIVING ADAM THE EXPERT "NITS AND KNATS", AND NUT LOW. IN FOUR CARD OMAHA, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD HAND, BUT, IN FIVE CARD, IT'S WAY TOO EASY, FOR HIM TO HAVE TWO BIGGER PAIR, OR A 2 5 FOR THE STRAIGHT. HE BETS ALL HIS CHIPS (1200) AND ADAM THE EXPERT CALLS. HE SHOWS DOWN A 2 J J 9 (A HAND THAT WAS HARDLY WORTH A RERAISE BEFORE THE FLOP, MUCH LESS HIS WILD BETTING WITH SECOND PAIR ! ! ! ! ! YAY ! ! ! ! yAY ! ! ! WELL, NO "YAY" ACTUALLY. REMEMBER, IN POKER WE ARE NOT PAIR TO WIN POTS, BUT TO MAKE CORRECT DECISIONS (SKLANSKY QUOTE, OR WAS IT CARO?) THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL, I EVER SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE FLOP. BUT I DID, AND GOT LUCKY. OK, HERE ARE THE HANDS: HIS: A 2 JJ 9 ADAM THE EXPERT: A 2 3 4 K, TWO DIAMONDS BOARD : Q 3 6 8 TWO DIAMONDS I HAVE (AS IT TURNED OUT) 8 DIAMONDS, 2, THREE'S 2 KINGS, 3 FIVES 15 OUTS FOR THREE QUARTERS I HAVE TWO ACES, TWO DEUCES FOR THE WHOLE POT, AND 19 CARDS, TO GET A QUARTER I DON'T HAVE TO TO FINISH, BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH I WAS A BIG MONEY FAVORITE, SINCE THERE WAS ZERO CHANCE OF ME GETTING NOTHING, AND THAT HE WAS SO STUCK, HE WOULD HAVE CALLED, EVEN IF THE RIVER WAS AN ACE OR DEUCE. AND, THERE WAS NO CHANCE, TO LOSE IT ALL. OF COURSE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE ONLY HAD A PAIR OF JACKS, AND THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE BIGGER FLUSH DRAW, BUT, I THOUGH IT LIKELY THAT MOST, IF NOT ALL OF MY OUTS, WERE LIVE. MARK G. COULD YOU PLEASE FIGURE OUT THE FAVORTIE, AND RESPOND? WELL, IF ANY ONE YOU OUT THERE ARE CONTIMPLATING POT LIMIT OHAMA, THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN IMPORTANT LESSON. THANK YOU FOR THE RECENT FAN MAIL, PLEASE KEEP IT UP A.T.E. | ||
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| Re: ADAM GETS THREE QUARTERS OF A BIG ONE, Charles Kincy, 29. Nov 2003 23:34 | ||
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| I will assume that the pot is at least 2000 (since you say that he could bet at least 1000), I'll calculate it based on that. If you win it all, it's +1000 for you If you three-quarter, it's +500 If you quarter, it's -500 EV = (1000 x 4 + 500 x 15 - 500 x 19) / 38 = 2000 / 38 = +52.63 So you expect to make $52 on the call. You had the best of it. | ||
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