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 hand analysis, mfs, 26. Nov 2003 11:37 | ||
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| It seems to me that very few people post hands to be analyszed anymore Why is this? Is there a better sight for this? Here is a hand that I played in a somewhat loose fairly passive 4-8 B&M holdem game. I was one off the button with QsTs 1ep and 2mp players limped I called and the player on the button raised. He was a tight passive ABC type of player so I figured him for a high pair. He wasn't the type to raise for value with suited connectors or pocket pairs. Both blinds called. The other players involved were slightly looser than they should be and only raised with big hands. The flop came Js 8s 4c. Everyone checked to me I decided to check figuring the preflop raiser would raise if I bet and eliminate people I still wanted in the hand in case I hit my flush. The raiser bet, everyone called, and now I decided to raise. I figured why not suck in some extra bets in case I hit. I also had a gutshot straight draw to give me a few extra outs.I also didn't figure that I would be reraised due to the passive nature of this game. Everyone called the raise. A 7d hit the turn(Js8s4c7d) Everyone checked. I bet(not sure if this was a good idea or not) and only 3 people called including the preflop raiser. A blank came on the river. I thought about bluffing here but the pot was just to big and I figure the guy with big pocket pair would call me for sure. The button won the hand with KK. Did I play this ok? Would you have done anything different? | ||
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| Re: hand analysis, Boftx, 26. Nov 2003 11:51 | ||
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| The only quiestion I have is why you would bet the turn if you were not going to bet the river? Your checkraise screams flush/straight draw, and the turn bet is telling everyone it was the straight. It would seem to me that you *have* to bluff at the pot after betting the turn. If you had just checked the turn then the laydown is easy. Jim | ||
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| Re: hand analysis, mkpoker, 26. Nov 2003 12:54 | ||
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| MFS--my comments below. on 26. Nov 2003 11:37 mfs wrote: > It seems to me that very few people post hands to be analyszed anymore Why is > this? Is there a better sight for this? Matt Says: Nah....keep posting and people will reply. > > I was one off the button with QsTs 1ep and 2mp players limped I called and the > player on the button raised. He was a tight passive ABC type of player so I > figured him for a high pair. He wasn't the type to raise for value with suited > connectors or pocket pairs. Both blinds called. The other players involved were > slightly looser than they should be and only raised with big hands. Pre-flop play is 100% solid, IMO. Button could have lots of things, though, AK being the most likely. > > The flop came Js 8s 4c. MATT says: First off, recognize this is a good flop for you. You've got 3 outs to the nut str8, 1 to the str8 flush, 8 to the flush, and one overcard (3 outs to a paired Q). All those outs aren't 100% solid. You could be facing a higher flush draw or a big overpair (AA or KK, which kills your overcard outs--this was actually the case). Notwithstanding these ambiguities, you've still got a premium draw. Everyone checked to me I decided to check figuring the > preflop raiser would raise if I bet and eliminate people I still wanted in the > hand in case I hit my flush. Matt Says: I understand your logic here, but think I would have bet out. I think your most urgent concern here is to drive out people with very marginal draws that might come back to bite. For example, a limper could have As9d. He's looking at an overcard plus a backdoor nut-flush draw and very remote str8 possibilities. Others may disagree, but I think that guy is a threat to you. You want him OUT. And while it's likely the pre-flop raiser will bet, you can't be sure. I'd eliminate the risk by betting. The raiser bet, everyone called, and now I decided > to raise. I figured why not suck in some extra bets in case I hit. I also had a > gutshot straight draw to give me a few extra outs.I also didn't figure that I > would be reraised due to the passive nature of this game. Everyone called the > raise. Matt says: I could go either way, but this is a nice play, likely to confuse your opponents. Are you on a draw or did you flop a set? They can't tell. > A 7d hit the turn(Js8s4c7d) Everyone checked. I bet(not sure if this was a > good idea or not) and only 3 people called including the preflop raiser. Matt Says: IMO, a good idea. If you check, you probably won't get a free card anyway with the button still to act. Also, a check will hurt your bluff possibilities if you decide to go that way later. You open yourself up to a raise from the button, but that's not terribly bad for you...you've still got lots of outs. A blank > came on the river. I thought about bluffing here but the pot was just to big > and I figure the guy with big pocket pair would call me for sure. The button won > the hand with KK. Matt Says: This is a very close call. On the one hand, you've represented strength, and it's tough to put you on a missed draw. But you're facing 3 callers...and that's a lot to run a bluff through. You've got about 14 BB in the pot. That means you should figure a bluff has about a 7% chance of succeeding to try it. I'd probably give it a whirl, but I don't think it's a bit mistake to take your lumps at this point. | ||
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