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 leakin like a faucet, don durito, 24. Nov 2003 11:25 | ||
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| After 3 5 hours sessions this weekend in a 4-8 game at 3 different locations I have learned a alot and feel my game if begining to change, but help me out if someone else has had or has this problem. I started with $150 on friday as a buy in, I got up to about $290 in the first 2 hours of play, then lost a nice $270 in the next hour,, down to 20 checks and I claw back up to $180, only to go back down to $50. at the end of the evening I broke even at $150. Pretty much the same situation for the next two nights, I get up and start leaking bad, I feel like I am still holding to my stratagy and playing pretty solid, but I am always getting cracked with a set or a decent straight when I am up. Do people somtimes suffer from playin careless when they are up, and I dont mean wreckless but careless, ignoring re-reaise's and check raises, stop watching other players ect ect.. It seems like I make the bulk of my earnings when I "make a hand either on the turn or river. Everytime I flop a set or top two pair I always get beat? and I mean always, not by obvious flushes but by insane straight's that are hard to comprehend. any idea's on fixing leaks when playing up? is it prudent to play as aggresive or even more so to make your winnings grow? or tighten up from my already tight as hell style when im even or down? I think 6 motnhs ago these would have been losing nights for me but I managed to keep clawing my way back and broke somewhat even for a weekend of pratice, but is this normal for fairly novice players? I have only been playng for about a year but have studied hard and put in alot of hours? I feel like my game id improving but at the same time and am not winning like i feel i should? | ||
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| Re: leakin like a faucet, SpaceAce, 25. Nov 2003 01:36 | ||
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| I had that problem for a while. On occasion, I still do. I'll get up a bit (sometimes a lot) and then my stack starts slipping away. I suffer from this only on very rare occasions, now, and I usually catch it before I lose more than a few percent of my stack. In the past, though, I would grind my way to being up over the course of a few hours and then go practically down to the felt before clawing my way back up. I think the single biggest factor in that was that I would play cards when I was way up that I wouldn't play when I was down. For instance, I might play Q10s or AXs from a bad position or I might call a raise in the big blind with questionable cards. I have _mostly_ overcome this leak but it still rears its head once in a while. If you find that you are consistently yo-yoing from up to down and and back again, try counting the number of times you find yourself saying, "Ah, it's just one bet and I'm up, anyway." My guess is you will catch yourself saying that a lot and that's where your money is going. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: leakin like a faucet, ADAM THE EXPERT, 25. Nov 2003 05:33 | ||
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| as a special treat to all my wonderful readers, I am presenting the following to you, in small letters, and no spelling errors! this of course, goes against the grain of adam the expert, but what the heck, it's thanksgiving!! ok, first thing: adam the expert always gets a chuckle, out of people who write as though hold em, was the only poker game out there (or, for that matter, even a poker game, at all) if you are really serious about "plugging leaks" then adam the expert, suggests that you learn more skillful forms of poker. next, apparently you have never heard of my famous "maximum drop back rule" (sorry, roy, i respect you, but you are just dead wrong, on this subject) poker, goes in cycles, and while you have no way to know for sure, if the current downward cycle, is not going to change into a five rack positive rush- decades of experience has taught me, that you have to figure, that that is extremely unlikely to happen. In almost all cases where you are going to have a gigantic win, you just keep going up, and up and up. you don't go, from 290 ahead, to 100 behind, and then end up winning 800, there is no way for me to explain it to you, in scientific terms, but trust me, it just doesn't work that way. ok, now, for you "science only" people, i'll explain it to you, in YOUR terms. when suffering from a major dropback, only a VULCAN will have such total control over his emotions, to being able to continue to play as well, when you are emotionally devestated, and the other players, will see you losing, and try even harder to beat you, just like sharks going after a bleeding fish. you will be seen as a loser. any hope you may have had, to make "moves" and buy pots, will be shattered. no one will respect you, and this will just make it much more likely for the downward trend, to continue. there are game available every day, all day long, so why would you ever want to stay, once you've acheived a very nice win??!! if you want to continue to play, fine!! take your win, and go play something else. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS, IS IT CORRECT, TO GO FROM COMFORTABLY AHEAD, TO A LOSER!!! I call this concept: you play, you win you quit . . . . . . . .you play again Now, if I was the only expert in the world, who believed in this, I might actually conceed to the cookes of the world, and their "volumn times edge equals profit" nonsense, but the most successful player I know (approx $750,000 income) also believes in taking your wins, where they come, for the next day, you may have to sit 14 hours, just to break even. I mean, this guy is the rock-solid nuts And, he is a former student of mine. that doesn't mean that he, like adam the expert, never stays in a game, once he's won. if the conditions of the game are ideal, he (I) will stay. but, part of those ideal conditions, is that you are not dropping down significantly, in your profit. try it my way, try it Roy's way, see which works. this is the only way to tell for sure. I teach both philosophies to my students, and let them decide for themselves. Disclaimer: note Adam the Expert thinks that Roy Cooke is a great author, and has many many valuable things to say. it's only this one issue, that I dissagree with. please don't ban me from your site, for having said what I've said. yours truely, adam the expert | ||
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| Now, was THAT so bad?, Easy E, 25. Nov 2003 06:49 | ||
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| MUCH easier to read what you've written, you can emphasize certain things and make meanings more weighty/clear..... Come over to the Dark Side, Adam! small letters are your friends... and actually add to your credibility, as an added automatic bonus! Now, we just have to work on that blinding arrogance problem.... | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, Brett LeMarinel, 25. Nov 2003 20:55 | ||
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| I will just jump right out and say, I am definately a novice and definately new to UPF(sorry ADAM acronyms are shorter to type), but why do people on this forum try to get a rise out of ADAM by making meaningless digs at his typing, spelling or his arrogance? Granted, it is probably true that ADAM is not GOD when it comes to poker, but who is? Ultimately isn't all advice opinionated facts? I am sure anyone can reflect on a time when a piece of advice they took to heart and followed to a tee and it went south and burned them but good. Also, I am sure that there has been a time that all of us have had a piece of advice that seemed meaningless at the time, suddenly shine up like a new penny when it worked to our amazement. The point I am driving at here is that ADAM gives very sound advice, just because you dont like his spelling or "caps" or his arrogance, don't be lured into not listening to some very good information. Why would you turn down new information, new ideas , and an opportunity to learn, just because the teacher wasn't your cup of tea? In closing, be nice to ADAM, I want to hear more of what he has to say. "Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard at it every day." | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, Pale Ale, 25. Nov 2003 21:23 | ||
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| Alan Merriam said...What amazes me is how many people came out of the woodwork, not to say anything worthwhile, but just to slam him. Remember this is not RPG or as my mother told me. If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Brett LeMarinel wrote: In closing, be nice to ADAM, I want to hear more of what he has to say. Ummm...NO. Alan, Brett you both are apparently willing to accept poor behavior from someone, as long as you get something from it. I am not. Many people idolize Phil Hellmuth and accept his behavior...after all he is a great player and a world champion. I do not. Look beyond his self-aggrandizing behavior...ok. Let's focus on something else. Below is a small sample (just a few from this last week or so) of things ADAM has said. I wonder if they offended anyone reading here? I don't find HIS behavior "nice"...or acceptable. Don't expect from others what you don't expect from ADAM. PA HA HA HA HA HA, GIVE A MONKEY MATCHES AND DYNAMITE, DONT' BE SURPRISED IF HE BLOWS HIMSELF UP!!!! ADAM THE EXPERT JUST LAUGHS AT THIS WHOLE "THREAD" I FIND IT INSULTING, THAT CINDY RESPONDED TO YOUR POST, BUT NOT MINE, WHICH WAS, OF COURSE, 4558 TIMES BETTER. "BUT THE CURRENT CROP OF IDIOT, KNOW-NOTHING, DAMN THE TRADITIONS OF POKER- PEOPLE RUNNING POKER ROOMS," (a lot of good people work in poker rooms) "ADAM THE EXPERT GETS A BIG LAUGH, AND THE BANKROLL "REQUIREMENTS" RECOMMENDED BY THE ASSININE AUTHORS" (Mike Caro????) 'LISTEN TO THESE CLOWNS, AND BE UNSUCCESSFUL" "The "bozos" continue to harp about not giving a free card," "WLL I HV DCDD 2 GV YU PPL A TST OF YR OWN MDCNE, ND SHW U TH ULTMTE CNCLSN 2 YR USE OF ABBVTNS. Y STP WH JST "BB" ND "EP" Y NT ABBVT EVYTG" "WELL, THE .50 1.00 PLAYERS, ARE COMPLETELY, TOTALLY HOPELESS, WHEREAS THE 1.00-2.00 PLAYERS, ARE ONLY TOTALLY HOPELESS!! TEE HEE, TEE HEE." (there are probably some posters here who play at these limits) | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, shorn, 26. Nov 2003 05:20 | ||
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| Amen Pale Ale... | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, Candide, 26. Nov 2003 08:02 | ||
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| I agree with this as well. He offers very little positive to UPF yet plenty of negative. Look at it this way, in the months I have been reading UPF there have only been TWO people who have gotten reactions like this. Adam being 1 of course, and the other is that Ace guy who was spamming his chat with JV on every forum and many many threads within each forum. (LJH gets this reaction to a lesser extent, but when he takes the time to explain something his is at least a good, informative read not filled with mindless self inflating blabber) Some people look at his comments and realize many are sarcastic and think it is funny. Most of us just find it immature and annoying. Either way, it isn't needed. Want to be funny? Tell a joke. Don't belittle everyone but Caro and Cooke to which you suck up to (obviously only to keep from getting kicked off). | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, hokie95, 26. Nov 2003 08:28 | ||
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| on 26. Nov 2003 08:02 Candide wrote: > Want to be funny? Tell a joke. A pirate walks into a bar and a mdiget sticks a steering wheel in his pants. The pirate removes the steering wheel and sits down at the bar. Seconds later, another midget runs in and sticks a steering wheel in the pirate's pants. The bartender looks up with a surprised look on his face, asks the pirate what was up with the midgets and the steering wheels. The pirate replies, "AAARRGGGHHH, they drivin' me nuts!" | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, Candide, 26. Nov 2003 09:19 | ||
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| Hehe, much better :) | ||
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| Re: Why does it seem like people discredit ADAM?, Huck, 26. Nov 2003 15:18 | ||
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| I just read his posts in the voice of the British comedian Emo Phillips. It's much more palatable that way. | ||
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| Re: Emo Phillips!, Cyndy, 26. Nov 2003 15:26 | ||
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| Emo Phillips - Wow, I remember him from way back on David Letterman. He was like a permanent fixture on that show! Cyndy | ||
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| Re: leakin like a faucet, FlopDaNutz, 26. Nov 2003 06:41 | ||
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| Adam, What do you consider a winning session? And where can you draw the line and say, ok I am up enough to be worthwhile, I should leave now. For example....I am playing a $50 NL table online. Early on I win a big hand and I am up to $80. I have a few options here... 1) Stay in the game, and see what kind of cards come my way. Play my normal "A game" (tight preflop game and hit the flops aggressive when I match them). 2) Cash out my $80 and rebuy with $50 giving me $30 in the bank that is now safe. This way if I get caught in a big hand and get stuck for my $50 then I am only $20 down instead of $50. 3) Cash out and go to another table, rebuy with $50 4) Cash out and quit for the night, go to sleep that night knowing that I had a winning session, and try to do the same tomorrow. It doesn't matter the amount $30 or $150 but if I go to bed every night, knowing that I am up for the night....I am a very happy person. I have tried all 4 of these options and I am not sure which I like best....but I am leaning towards, going to bed for the night while I am up not giving the fish a chance at taking my money back. Any advice ADAM? Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: leakin like a faucet, Flatout_Mainiac, 25. Nov 2003 10:33 | ||
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| It seems like you hate prosperity. In limits HE ring games, the amount of chips infront of you should have no bearing on your play. You should play as solid with a $300 stack in front of you as you would play with $10 in front of you. Treat your 100th chip in the rack with the exact same respect as your last!! Try to forget the pile of chips stacked up infront of you. Make sure value you are getting for every chip you toss into the middle is more than the value of that chip. Don't give your chip away on sale!!!! | ||
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| Re: leakin like a faucet, PairTheBoard, 26. Nov 2003 05:25 | ||
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| Stop playing if you're up. Stop playing if you're stuck. Stop playing if you're tired. Stop playing if your horny. Stop playing if you just got layed. Stop playing after you eat. Stop playing if you're hungry. Stop playing if you just got AA cracked. Stop playing if you just hit an inside straight. The list goes on and on. If you're not careful you may have to dispose of the list and just stop playing period. There's a principle I learned as a Tennis player. The best way to improve your game is to practice when you are exhasted. If you can stay in control of your game when playing under difficulties then you are on your way to being a true professional. In fact, that is almost the definition of being professional in many arenas. The only real way to beat the difficulties is to play your way through them until they are no longer a problem. Toughen up. otoh you could just stop playing - whenever. | ||
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| Re: leakin like a faucet, don durito, 26. Nov 2003 10:05 | ||
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| i like that,, toughen up-- play through it and forget about things that pro's would worry about, I am a beginer and need to train and learn,, and if the cost of that comes out of my bankroll so be it,, in the long run it will return with interest. I think it would be good for begining players to take advice from the previous post! | ||
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