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 TT Pre-flop, Barry T, 23. Nov 2003 00:24 | ||
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| Hi. I know pre-flop stuff is not that critical, but it is instructive. You have pocket 10s in late position (say, one before the cut-off). I assume you open-raise if no one is yet in. In general: What do you do if there is one limper? (Yes, I know you want to know how he plays, where he went to school and what he had for breakfast, but you don't). Two limpers? Three? Four? Five (In Las Vegas wehre they play 10 handed?) I have an interesting answer (which might not be correct, but I would like you hear yours too). BarryT | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, Angel, 23. Nov 2003 02:47 | ||
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| Barry, Assuming I know nothing about my opponents - I'm on a trip and just came in behind the button in a game where posting wasn't necessary. I don't raise if I suspect we're taking the flop 4 or 5-handed - otherwise I do. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, grant pittman, 23. Nov 2003 03:13 | ||
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| I will always raise that hand in a position where I feel doing so will give me a reasonable shot at winning the button position. If this doesn't work, you still have a hand that is in fine shape to most of your opponents holdings. I must say that I hate playing this hand for 2 bets preflop with 3-5 opponents.....I would imagine this would yield the least return with 10-10. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, mkpoker, 23. Nov 2003 07:48 | ||
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| I'll raise if I suspect that either: 1. My raise will could limit the field to no more than 3 players; or 2. My raise will "buy the button" for the remainder of the hand. IMO, TT plays like any middle pair in a large multi-way pot. Unless you hit a set, an improbable straight draw, or your TT is an overpair, you're in trouble and should probably fold to any interest in the pot. ----- P.S. Thanks for your SnG series in CP. I noted how many times you wrote, "we had only enough chips to play one hand to the river." That's an important, and I think, oft ignored point (by me and others). Usually, little of consequence happens in limit SNGs until the blinds hit 50/100. So unless you've been extremely lucky in the early rounds, you'll likely find yourself with enough chips to play only one hand aggressively. Being patient enough to choose that hand wisely makes the difference between busting out 5th and being in position to win. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, MozMan, 23. Nov 2003 08:12 | ||
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| Barry- In general, I will raise if I think it can buy me the button. If I suspect that the cutoff or button are very passive, I might just limp in. -Moz "Looks like we caught us another customer, Eddie." | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, Flatout_Mainiac, 23. Nov 2003 09:46 | ||
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| I generally consider TT flexible hand and I will either play it like a small pair or a premium hand. Two or less limpers to me and I'll raise and play it like JJ or QQ. 3 or more in before me and I'll limp in as I just assume everyone behind me call and get maximum pot odds and I'll play it to flop a set. If the off chance TT is an overpair after the flop, I generally like my chances that my hand is good at this point so I'll play it pretty fast. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, Barry T, 23. Nov 2003 19:49 | ||
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| Hi. I think that hits the nail on the head. TT is a very big hand played against no more than 2 opponents. So it is probably right to raise one or two opponents in an attempt to get that situation going. Against three or four opponents,. TT is a mediocre hand, and you should call hoping to attract more opponents so you are improving your pot odds for hitting your set, which you will almost always need to win. If 5 or more opponents are in, you should go ahead and raise again. Now you are getting a good price, you would like to tie people into the pot if you hit your set, and, if in late position, you might even get a free card on the flop if you need one. This second type of raise also becomes a goood way to vary your play, since opponents will not be able to rely on your having AKs, AA, KK or the like when you put in a late position multi-way raise. BarryT | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, noiseboy, 24. Nov 2003 08:29 | ||
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| I like this play of raising whenever you have odds, too. It helps keep your opponents off balance. In those big multihanded pots, sometimes I'll throw in a position raise all the way down to 77s and sometimes 66s as long as there is not a whole lot of limp/reraise w/ the big pairs going on. The thing that bugs me that I see players sometimes do, is they raise with the TT or 99, and succeed in getting it short handed, and then let someone roll over them with only one overcard on the flop, and they probably were still best. A lot depends on the texture of the flop and the nature of your opponents, but especially heads-up you don't want to lay down the TT too easily. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, noiseboy, 24. Nov 2003 08:22 | ||
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| I raise with TT if I think I can get the pot shorthanded with one or two limpers. I will also raise from late position in pots that are shaping up to be six or seven handed. This is to build a monster pot when I hit the set. The strange thing about TT is that it doesn't seem to like a medium amount of opponents. Anyway, this is my pet hand, and I see a lot of players who play it very weak. Sometimes in short handed pots a single overcard doesn't necessarily kill it if you've been showing aggression. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, ADAM THE EXPERT, 24. Nov 2003 12:57 | ||
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| THE PRINCIPLE STRENGTH OF ANY SMALL PAIR, IS TO MAKE A SET, AND GET MAXIMUM VALUE. NOTE: ADAM THE EXPERT'S DEFINATION, OF THE PAIRS. HIGH AA AND KK MEDIUM QQ AND JJ SMALL 10 10 9 9 88 BABY 7 7 6 6 MIRCO: 55 44 33 22 (VERY RARELY PLAYABLE) ANYONE THINKING THESE ARE NOT CORRECT, WELL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T KNOW HOLD EM, LIKE ADAM THE EXPERT KNOWS HOLD EM!!! nOTE" ADAM THE EXPERT DOES NOT EVEN BELIEVE IN CATEGORIZING PAIRS, AS THEY IS SUCH A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, DIFFERENCE, IN EACH ONE. UH, NO, THERE IS NOT ONLY A SMALL DIFFERENCE, BETWEEN QQ AND KK, AND BETWEEN KK AND AA, THERE IS A MONUMENTALLY HUGE DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GO TO THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN: KK compared to AA 10 10, IS JUST not A BLIND STEALING HAND!! CHECK THE MIKE CARO "MISERY" INDEXT ( HOW OFTEN AN OVERCARD WILL HIT, BASED ON THE SIZE OF YOUR POCKET PAIR) AND YOU WILL FIND, THAT AN OVERCARD WILL HIT, WAY MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. THEN, YOU WILL BE PLAYING GUESSING GAMES, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOUR OPPONENTS HAVE ONE. STEALING THE BLINDS, IS REALLY NOT A BIG PART OF WINNING HOLD EM PLAY!!! IN FACT, IF YOU ARE IN A GAME, WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LET YOU WIN THEIR BLINDS, UNCONTESTED, YOU SHOULD get the hell out of that game!!! YOU AREN'T GOING TO MAKE ANYTHING!!! WHO IN THE HELL JUST WANTS THE BLINDS!!! THE "EGGHEADS"?!?! THE WHOLE POINT OF POCKET TENS, IS TO MAKE A SET, AND HOPE SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING. SO, LET 'EM IN, LET 'EM IN LET 'EM IN YES, YOU MAY SAY "BUT DOESN'T ADAM THE EXPERT PREACH AGAINST GIVING A "FREE" CARD? YES, GRASSHOPPER, BUT ONLY WHEN THERE IS ALREADY A POT!! THE BLINDS, DO NOT CONSTITUTE A "POT" IF 4 OR MORE PLAYERS ARE IN, RAISE EM UP!! BUILD THE POT, IN CASE YOU FLOP A SET, OR YOU TEN BECOMES A STRAIGHT DRAW. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, noiseboy, 24. Nov 2003 13:52 | ||
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| I think it's wrong to classify TT as a "small" pair when short handed in limit holdem. In NL, anything below QQ is a small pair due to the fact that you don't want to lose your whole stack on something marginal. But in limit HE you are losing money if you are letting go of TT and 99 too easily in short handed pots. Yes overcards fall, but a lot of times with one or two opponents, your TTs are still good and should be bet. Any two cards will only pair about a third of the time on the flop, so against one or two opponents, a single overcard isn't necessarily fatal. | ||
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| Re: TT Pre-flop, shorn, 25. Nov 2003 07:16 | ||
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| I for one am tired of your arrogance on your so called knowledge of the game. Someone much more respected (and famous) than you has stated that poker begins as a battle for the ante/blinds. If I could raise any two cards and win the blinds uncontested from late position EVERY time, I would be a very rich man. Grow up a little and show some humility every once in a while. As for right now, I DO hope they kick you off the site. | ||
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