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 Late NL HE Tourney strategy, Bungus, 22. Nov 2003 23:34 | ||
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| As I find myself playing more and more NL SnG's, I often find myself lacking a clear strategy when we are down to 1 or 2 other players. I have an easy time getting in the money, but once there, I have to admit I'm kinda lost. We all have large stacks, but the blinds are about 1/10 our stack at that point. Specifically, what hands should I be playing from the SB? 78, suited even, looks pretty crappy from that position, as a call shows weakness, and it's not raising material. Is Q9o a raising hand? I know whole books have been writing on the subject, so if you'd rather avoid carpal tunnel, just giving me the names of some goods ones on the topic'd be fine | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, PairTheBoard, 23. Nov 2003 02:11 | ||
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| Good question Bungus. I've found myself in the same boat recently. It's such a crap shoot at that point. I especially hate it when my opponent makes a couple of quick steals of my blinds and I suddenly go from parity to a 1-2 chip stack ratio. It reminds me of an old computer game I used to play called Balance of Power where the winner was the one who could be the most agressive without setting off global thermal nuclear war. I'm afraid if you are less willing to go all in you are quickly stolen blind. The trouble is it all happens so fast that by the time you get a read on what your opponent is up to the game's over. If you find any good answers I'd sure like to hear them. | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, Brett LeMarinel, 23. Nov 2003 06:40 | ||
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| I find that when down to a heads up match at a SnG table (where you havent really had to accomplish too much to get there, as say you would in a multi table tournament) the person who is most determined to win often does. If you have payed attention to how your opponent got to a heads up showdown you will get some insight on how to tangle with them. If they are a rock, you may be able to take advantage of their tight play by being more aggressive. If they are maniacal, you can use their loose action against them when you hold a strong hand. Granted, you aren't always going to win by being the aggressor, but I think you greatly increase your chances of winning by playing aggressively. For example, if you are going to be in a hand heads up, get in there raising. Immediately you put the pressure on your opponent. They may fold immediately, which is always nice. They may call you, in which case having position becomes key. If you have raised and been called, and are in position go ahead and throw a bet out there. The key to winning more than losing in heads up matches is to be able to get a read on you opponent. Find out how they are playing, and use that to your advantage, and you will be way ahead of the game. "Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard at it every day." BSL | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, Bungus, 23. Nov 2003 11:23 | ||
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| I was playing very aggressive last night heads up, and was a 6:1 chip leader. Blinds were 200/400, I had about 6k. My opponent from what I had observed was tight and folded a few heads up with other players, and let me take his blinds a few times. J7o and I double the blind from te SB looking to bully the little guy out of his chips. He reraises, to all in, exactly not what I wanted, I fold. Now its 5:2. Over the course of the next 5 hands I simply do not get a hand with a face card, 24, 78o, 54, I fold them all in the SB, or to a raise when in BB. Don't see a flop until I'm 23o in BB. Called to me, I check, flop is Q2J. I bet out 400. He raises to 1600. I fold. More crap in the SB, nd my opponent has already gained the lead. Next hand I get is Q9o in BB, I bet the blind, (woulda raised more if I had a K9 or A9, but maybe that is my mistake not raising more with this hand) SB calls. Flop is JJ6. I bet 400 (1/4 the pot), he raises all in... hmmm I suppose a fold is right here, so I do, and my opponent very kindly shows me J7o. I have 1k left, and and after fold T3o in SB, I get T4o THE VERY NEXT HAND! He raises, I have 400 odd chips left, so what the hell, I call all in and hope to get lucky, the tourny's over either way. No help on the flop, I'm left with Ten high against a pair of jacks... 2nd place. Now I know this is a terrible run of cards, especially for heads up, but I'm left wondering if theres anything I could have done differently. ie protect me lead more in the begining instead of bullying and just wait through the cold streak. Of course, by that time I might have folded him so many blinds he'd be the leader. Any input? | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, Aisthesis, 23. Nov 2003 11:48 | ||
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| Yeah, that sounds like a very rough one where there may just have not been anything you could do. Sounds like the guy immediately switched into loose-aggressive mode when the heads-up began, and he may also have been getting a run of really good cards against your horrible ones (a very bad time for such a run). Even with poor hands, though, I would have seriously considered trying to steal a big blind or two during that 5 hand phase of cold cards in the small blind--probably with an immediate all-in while you are still on the big stack. Regardless of cards, I just don't think you can allow yourself to be dominated over that many hands in a heads-up. The 23o in BB where you hit the deuce pair on the flop might also have been a good place to make a stand. I find it hard to believe that your opponent made a pair on the flop for that many hands in a row and/or was working with premium pockets the whole way, although your holdings did put you in a really tough position. | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, PairTheBoard, 23. Nov 2003 15:37 | ||
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| Very similar to some of my recent experiences Bungus. I finally took a stand on a hand like you described where you at long last actually flopped a small pair. I reraised all-in and saw myself staring down at my opponent's set of 10's. lol I'm thinking the best way to win the heads up final phase of SNG's is to get into as many of them as possible :), Once there, don't be afraid to gamble and experiment. Make your best guess as to the weakness in your opponent's style, then shoot at that target. Accept the fact that short run luck dominates the situation and take your best shots. Maybe most important - always maintain a positive attitude and remain confident that you CAN outplay your opponent. | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, Bungus, 23. Nov 2003 23:22 | ||
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| Thanks for making it through that novel I just posted. After placing second in the last four SnG's (the last one my flush got run over by a boat, heads up) I just grabbed the gold. It does seems like alot of luck, and who has the bigger shtack. But at that point, you're already in the money, so its lotsa fun just trying to mess with your opponent. Aisthesis, I have to admit I was guilty of pussy-footin' around when my 23 flopped 2's. I stronger bet would be less likely to induce a bluff. When you're on a good rush, its natural to assume you have the other guy beat or will hit a lucky draw, and when you're on a cold streak its natural to assume your beat. I'm sure the former mode of thinking was my opponents, and the latter mine. Just something I've observed many times at the tables. | ||
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| Re: Late NL HE Tourney strategy, Aisthesis, 24. Nov 2003 09:01 | ||
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| Congratulations on the win! Yeah, from what you said, the loss may have just been unavoidable. I feel pretty sure he didn't actually have you beat that many times in a row, but there would definitely have been a lot of luck involved in picking the right time to make your stand. I think the way to view these things has a lot to do with something like a balance of power. If you're getting cold cards to the other guy's good ones, your stack is just going to go down somewhat, but you've got to snap back often enough to stay in the game--if you still get beaten, then so be it. | ||
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