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 Avoiding the tough money situations, BoatLover88, 21. Nov 2003 11:58 | ||
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| I was wondering if anyone had any special maneuvors or plays to help avoid against taking a big hit with a tough situation hand. For example. I hold AQ. My opponent holds AK. The flop is A 9 3 rainbow. How can I set myself up starting with preflop to know if I am outkicked or not to avoid losing a whole ton of money. It is very difficult to fold with AQ on that flop, but being stubborn can lose a lot of money. It is even worse with hands like AJ. If I raise preflop and get reraised by someone other than the button. Than bet on that flop and get raised, is that a good indicator to let the hand go? Thanks ahead of time for the help. | ||
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| Re: Avoiding the tough money situations, Hot Allen, 21. Nov 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Well, I'll tell you one thing, on the flop you stand to lose a lot of money, with little ways out. Your main tell from your opponant is that a hand like AK deserves a nice raise pre-flop and AQ not so much. It also depends if your playing limit or no limit. With limit, a raise preflop could be a number of things because the strength of the whole cards are better disguised by the fixed amount that you bet. QQ looks the same as AKs. But, with no limit, you may get a better indication of the starting hand. Personally, I usually will not raise pre-flop with AQ, I feel its value comes from a nice flop, but AK will always get a nice raise out of me. So, I guess your best indication is the king of action thrown at you before the flop. AQ can be very deadly, I prefer a mid-pocket pair to this any day. On the flop he will be very aggressive with AK, so to check him out early and to save your money, if you make it to the flop stick in your bet if your first to act, if you get a raise then get out. Sometimes people would reraise you back with Ax, but I feel that in the long run its better to give those up (throwing away your AQ) then the amount you would lose by staying in against his AK. on 21. Nov 2003 11:58 BoatLover88 wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any special maneuvors or plays to help avoid > against taking a big hit with a tough situation hand. For example. I hold AQ. My > opponent holds AK. The flop is A 9 3 rainbow. How can I set myself up starting > with preflop to know if I am outkicked or not to avoid losing a whole ton of > money. It is very difficult to fold with AQ on that flop, but being stubborn can > lose a lot of money. It is even worse with hands like AJ. > > If I raise preflop and get reraised by someone other than the button. Than bet > on that flop and get raised, is that a good indicator to let the hand go? > > Thanks ahead of time for the help. | ||
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| Re: Avoiding the tough money situations, ReMMy, 21. Nov 2003 12:25 | ||
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| Boat, It depends totally on your read of the table/specific opponent. There is no "correct" way to play this hand. The easy answer on how to avoid this situation is to stop playing AQo or AJo unless you know WHY you are playing these marginal hands. Is this player loose passive who loves any ace and will pay you off w/ A10 AJ A9 etc etc? Think about it like this, you played AQo for a reason, what was it? Were you looking for an unlikely straight? Probably not. Were you looking for a perfect flop to give you top pair Q top kicker? That would be great but probably not. You're playing AQ because you want to hit top pair, either an A or a Q. But then when the ace you were looking for falls, you start questioning if you are outkicked. This is like having AK and wondering how to avoid losing to another ace that paired his kicker. Tough luck, it happens. You're playing your hand because you think it will usually win, which it will, but not always. Stop playing AQ preflop if you're not comfortable picking up on when you're beat. Wait until you have a better sense of your opponent, until you have a better read on the table stick to sets, flushes and straight draws. Good times though, ReMMy | ||
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| Re: Avoiding the tough money situations, Phish, 21. Nov 2003 12:44 | ||
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| on 21. Nov 2003 11:58 BoatLover88 wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any special maneuvors or plays to help avoid > against taking a big hit with a tough situation hand. For example. I hold AQ. My > opponent holds AK. The flop is A 9 3 rainbow. How can I set myself up starting > with preflop to know if I am outkicked or not to avoid losing a whole ton of > money. It is very difficult to fold with AQ on that flop, but being stubborn can > lose a lot of money. It is even worse with hands like AJ. > > If I raise preflop and get reraised by someone other than the button. Than bet > on that flop and get raised, is that a good indicator to let the hand go? > > Thanks ahead of time for the help. Hate to break this to you, but a certain amount of gambling is unavoidable when playing poker. If you routinely release AQ in this situation on the turn, you probably can never beat the game. And if you always muck AQ pre-flop cause you're afraid someone behind you may have AK, you're giving up way too much. (Tho it may be ok to muck AQ if it's raised before you if you're that keen on reducing your variance). Sometimes, you are going to get trapped with the second best hand. Period. If you only want to play those situations where you are almost certainly the favorite, then people with AJ or nothing at all will be betting you off hands left and right and you'll find yourself folding many winning hands without even knowing it. | ||
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| Re: Avoiding the tough money situations, PairTheBoard, 21. Nov 2003 13:20 | ||
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| There are a lot of situations where the best you can do is to just SLOW DOWN. Your hand is too good and there's too much money in the pot to fold so you can't get away from it. But you can do something to help yourself, which is to Slow Down, stop raising and go into check call mode. In No-Limit, be precise with your bets. There is a perfect amount to bet for the situation - taking into consideration all factors. If you consistently overbet this amount or overvalue your hand when calling, you will be winning less than your share when good and loosing more than your share when beat. | ||
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| Re: Avoiding the tough money situations, Jordan, 21. Nov 2003 14:36 | ||
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| AQ is basically the cut-off point for hands that you can play profitably in NL. I play mainly all pairs (if i can limp cheaply with small pairs to hit trips) and obviously AK, AQ, and occasionally AJs, KQs, KQo, and J10s as well. Just depends if it's been passed all the way around or who's in the pot. A lot of sorry players have a lot lower standards for what they consider really good hands. For example most 'solid players' only want to go all-in preflop with KK or AA (some only AA). There are others who will do it in most cases with AK, AA, KK, and QQ. Some will go all-in with any pair. You get the picture. The sorrier the players you are playing against the lower their standards are for playing hands and raising with hands. Therefore my advice is to classify their standards for playing and raising. I can't tell you how many times I've held AQ flopped top pair bet out pot-size on the flop and had somebody raise me on the flop with Ace-Rag. I just check-call them if I'm unsure of their type. I was playing a few days ago and made my typical raise of about 5x the BB with KK and I got re-raised all in for the rest of this guy's money (about 35-40). His play was screaming AA but I didn't feel he would only do it with AA (which was the only hand I was scared of obviously). I called and sure enough he had QQ instead and my hand held up. I definitely don't like calling raises with AQ because it puts in you in a weird spot. You could hit a QQ and be looking at trip Queens, they could have KK or AA and have you the whole way or could have AK as you said. If I play AQ i like to make the raise. If i'm re-raised by a solid player then I will most likely dump it unless I really feel they're making a play on me. You can't live paranoid though and always question if AQ is good b/c it is good a lot of the time but playing it routinely to raises and from any position will get you in trouble. | ||
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| Re: Avoiding the tough money situations, Rich P., 21. Nov 2003 17:08 | ||
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| First, I play mostly low limit, so I can't say much about medium to high to no limit. Still, I believe this point will apply to all three. Yes, when you run into AK when you have AQ, you're probably going to lose, maybe even a lot. Luckily, your profit in poker comes from the many hands you play over time. So while it's nice to have a read on your opponent that's so good you know he has AK, you can't just dump because of a single raise or even reraise. Whatever you lose when you run into AK, you will win back and more when your AQ holds up, which will be much more often then the times you lose to AK. SEND THE ROCKS TO THE BAR! Don't worry too much about your hand being beaten by AK. It just doesn't happen that much. Play for the long run. AQ is a profitable hand, and if your don't play it, you are way too tight. | ||
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