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 Proper Play??, jackboat, 20. Nov 2003 12:13 | ||
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| I'm still racking my brain figuring how to play this hand properly.....help!! I'm in a no-limit tourney. I've been playing for about 4 hours. It is a tight short-handed table (6). The blinds are 2-5. I'm on the button and get pocket Aces. There is a 15 raise from the player 1st to act. He is a tight player and I put him on a great hand. Nobody calls, the action is to me. I decide I want him out and raise over the top 50 more (70 total). We are the only two left in the pot....he calls (which surprised me). The flop comes: Kh Qh 10s. My opponent is first to act and he bets 30. I put him on a number of hands that could beat me. I think about going all-in, but I truly believe he has me beat. I have played with this player many times...I put him on a set. What is the right move??? I don't know if I want to tell you what I did it is so embarrassing. I called the 30 bet...hoping for a J to fill a straight. The turn comes 4c. He increases his bet to 50. I only have 60 left and I decide to fold. I show him my pocket rockets, and he shows me AK suited (not hearts). Was folding the right play??? Thanks for your input -Jack Boat | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, mkpoker, 20. Nov 2003 12:23 | ||
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| If you truly believed he had you beat on the flop, you should have folded there--otherwise you were drawing to only 6 outs. It seems a mighty big leap to put him on a set though. I was thinking AK from your description of him (he made a big flop bet on top-pair, top-kicker, which makes sense). If you figured him for a tight player who probably had a good hand pre-flop, I'd guess you could put him on a middle to high pair (TT-KK) or very good overcards (AK or AQ). Your AA dominates those hands...so why not reraise all-in pre flop? There's an excellent chance he'd call (which would be good for you). And if he doesn't, you still take down a decent pot! | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, jackboat, 20. Nov 2003 12:54 | ||
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| I thought about re-raising all in, but I would have only won about 35. I wanted to see a flop, but not the one I got. | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, Schuster, 20. Nov 2003 13:34 | ||
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| Can't have your cake and eat it too. Raise or fold on the flop would have been your best bet. Lee | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, ReMMy, 20. Nov 2003 16:07 | ||
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| I'd be thinking something like this... Possible Hands for initial raise: KK, QQ, JJ, 1010 99 AK Probably would have reraised you with KK, (maybe QQ?) Therefore 1010 or QQ would beat you at the flop. I doubt he would bet with 99, he might bet with JJ. I also would imagine he'd want to let you lead the betting if he actually hit trips. So I think the most probable holding is an AK. If you really think you're beat, fold. Otherwise go over the top of him. Since there is already a decent pot and your at least 50/50 to be a winner right now I think the deciding factor is how close you are to the payout bubble and how far winning this pot with help take you compared to your chances if you fold and play with your 90 stack. | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, Aisthesis, 20. Nov 2003 22:51 | ||
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| I had almost the same situation a few weeks ago but folded my AA to a very high flop bet (similar pre-flop action) on a K X X flop. Turned out my opponent had AA, too, and while it didn't knock me out immediately, it basically did put me out of the money. I think your pre-flop raise was just right, as it got him to call. But after my own experience (and yours just confirms this), I think the thing to do is go all-in EVERY TIME on a flop like that. If he really has the cowboys, he'll just take down a big pot, but I'm gonna have to see 'em, and with that flop, I'm still completely committed to trying to take it down with AA. There are in my opinion very few flops that warrant backing off from AA, and that's not one. | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, Aisthesis, 20. Nov 2003 23:01 | ||
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| Looking at your post again, a fear in some situations might be AJ, but the pre-flop action in this case should have virtually eliminated that possibility, as well as KQ. | ||
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| Re: Proper Play??, Aisthesis, 20. Nov 2003 23:22 | ||
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| Addendum: While I guess another legitimate fear is QQ or possibly even TT, there are 8 different AK hands to only 6 of each of the pairs. Given that fact, I think there are only 2 flops (with this pre-flop action) on which AA needs to proceed with caution: 1) 3 suited cards not matching either ace 2) KKX I really do think your flop would have been scary if AJ or KQ were real possibilities. If you really are up against KK or QQ, you still do have 6 outs on that flop. | ||
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