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can't be patient enough, Jordan, 19. Nov 2003 08:35 | ||
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| Time and time again I re-read Cloutier/McEvoy's book about starting hand requirements and I stick to it for a while and do well. I played in a Poker Stars tourney for the first time (I normally play at Party) and I had won three big hands (trip 5's, hit two pair with AQ and two pair with KQ) and I either take a bad beat or make a bad play and from that point on, I overplay my hands. We were down to the last 400 or so players last night. It was folded all the way to the SB who called my BB. I look down to AQ and since I felt I had the best hand and needed to double-up (from my other bonehead plays earlier) I go all-in and he quickly calls. He had set me up with KK. It's these type of stupid plays that get me every single time I play in NL tourneys. This isn't really a great question but I'll try anyways? How do you NL tourney players keep yourself patient and disciplined enough to continually fold and wait for the best spots. I can do it well for a while but I always cave. | ||
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Re: can't be patient enough, jackeboy, 20. Nov 2003 04:12 | ||
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| I'm a fairly new player myself (about a year) but I have been quite successful in sit'n'go and multi-table tournies. Patience has been so important in doing well that I now don't play unless I know that I'm prepared to wait for the right hands. If I'm tired or want a quick fix then I know that I won't make the money in a tournie and I'll play heads-up or do something else. I always look for the guy who tripled his stack after two or three rounds of a sit'n'go. How did he finish? I'll bet he was out before it was down to five. I don't think I have ever won a tournie where I was chip-leader early on. Inexperience makes me feel like I have the ammunition to see some of those marginal hands and all the patience and carefully judged plays that got me there go out the window. AQ is a strong hand and I wouldn't beat yourself up too badly about making a stand with it. I was 2nd chip leader in a multi-table last week when it was down to 6 players out of 198 and got that hand the other way around (I had the KK) - I went all-in against the chip-leader and he caught an A on the flop. My win percentage is around 60% and I place in the money about 85% (It's waaaay too small a sample for that to mean very much). I have found that aggressive play works best later on in the sit'n'gos and the multi-tables, when the blinds are worth stealing and everybody can smell the money. I just don't understand the guys who go all in to win T45 - if they have a good hand they can make some gains by playing it, if they don't why take the risk. But, early on, if I didn't have to protect my blinds and look out for those category 1 hands I'd probably go and have a cuppa until it was down to five or six. 'evolution, not revolution - i want to evolve, not revolve' Jack | ||
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Re: can't be patient enough, Eman, 20. Nov 2003 05:03 | ||
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| I do well in NL tourneys online and the key is you have to be patient. Last night I played ina $20 NLtourney on UB with about 200 players. I busted out in around 50th place. After almost two hours of play and about 90 hands dealt, I only played 13 hands and won 11. Im not usually this extremely tight but I just didnt get any cards. The best hands I saw were JJ, AKs, 99, thats it. But if I head a normal run of cards Im pretty sure I could have made it to the money. If you play tight and be patient you should do OK. One other thing I like to do is play two table at once. If im in a tourney, Ill play another ring game or sitNgo. This makes it much easier to be patient and fold fold fold fold. | ||
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Re: can't be patient enough, beigs, 21. Nov 2003 05:41 | ||
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| I have Post-It notes on my computer monitor. One says "SLOW DOWN" and the other says "FOLD WHEN YOU'RE BEAT". It has always been two leaks in my game. I would refuse to give my opponent credit for a hand and continue to bet for them, and when I do give them credit for their hand, I continue to play even though I'm beat. For example, I played a Limit Multi-Table tourney last week and I had KK against a ragged flop. I bet and my only opponenet called. The turn was an 8. No straight possibility. No flush possiblity. I bet, he raised! I said to myself, what can he possibly have. Either that 8 gave him two pair of junk that he wouldn't have called my pre-flop raise with, in which case I'm beat. Or he just hit a set of 8s, in which case I'm beat. Either way, I'm beat. And I called him down anyway, just to lose some chips when every bone in my body told me I was beat. So now I have a Post-It note yelling at me to fold when I'm beat. I hope that will help. beigs | ||
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