|
||
|
||
|
Server Time: 11/20/2008 5:03:37 PM PACIFIC |
 Anyone Else feel this way?, Ian J, 18. Nov 2003 14:58 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| I've been playing mostly hold'em for almost a year now. I've read Brunson, Sklansky, CardPlayer, UPF, and so on. I feel like I'm getting to know the game pretty well and learning more and more. However, sometimes I do stuff while I play that in hindsight I see was terrible. Does anyone else have this problem of making plays in a game that are terrible in hindsight? Thanks for the replies. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, Dupree, 18. Nov 2003 15:06 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| every day | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, Jonny-Sax, 18. Nov 2003 15:15 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| Its called the learning curve, and I found that it was all part of the game. You need to remember that just because you have read all the books, you need to implement it. Take the time to be patience with every hand, and asses every situation. When you do make silly mistakes, make sure you learn form them and never repeat them. Of course, as always, this is just my opinion. J | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, Flatout_Mainiac, 18. Nov 2003 17:44 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| If anyone says no then they're a liar..... | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, mkpoker, 18. Nov 2003 17:50 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| Every day (often many times a day). I'd suggest you look for trends in your errors. You'll probably find some common threads. For me, for example, it's chasing too far. I cal with a solid hand when I should recognize it's 2nd best (usually when playing these hands, I get that "funny feeling" I'm in trouble, but I'm just not ready to act on it). Once you diagnose your primary leaks, they're easier to fix. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, Ian J, 18. Nov 2003 18:08 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| mk, Funny that you mention that because today I had that same thing and I get it all the time. When my game is on I can confidently lay down top pair top kicker when I know I'm behind, but today I had the same situation come up a few times where I called to the river only to be shown two pair. I/We need to identify what it is that makes us be confident in a laydown and learn how/when to use it. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, MozMan, 18. Nov 2003 20:28 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| Gawd! I do that all the time. Was just reflecting on my play tonight on the ride home, and was really amazed at some of the things I did... lol. -Moz "I opened for The Who at Woodstock. I came out in a Beatle wig and a ukulele. Hendrix said he almost plotzed! His exact words." | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, Aisthesis, 20. Nov 2003 22:20 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| mk, as obvious as your comment really should be, this has been one of the most helpful posts to me lately, and one that I've thought quite a bit about since you made it. For one thing, at my current level of play, I feel like this kind of mistake is the most important limiting factor and that the "chasing cards"/"overestimating one's hand" syndrome is THE mistake. It typically happens to me in two situations: One is when I'm getting a bunch of really great hands and winning a lot of pots, then I get too cocky and end up thinking I can win one where someone starts playing back at my moderately strong but vulnerable holdings. The other is when I'm getting cold cards and start getting over-eager to win a pot with a decent but vulnerable hand. It doesn't typically occur when it feels like the cards are coming kind of normally because I can stay pretty centered with a realistic estimate of how my hand is going to hold up. And of course it doesn't become relevant even when it's happening until someone starts playing back at me, or even just calling when I expect them to fold. So, my conclusion is: When the cards feel like they're unusually hot or unusually cold, try to be as pessimistic as possible in estimating your hand when someone calls or plays back at you. Immediately go into a more defensive posture (unless you have pretty much the nuts, of course) and only play the hand if it's one you really just can't get away from. Basically, in such cases, give some very serious thought to your vulnerabilities and be ready to check and/or fold in case of doubt. Again, this is from a NL perspective, where such mistakes can have much more severe consequences on one's bankroll, but I would assume it also applies in limit play. I guess this is really also more of a "note to self" but maybe it will also help others who might have similar weaknesses. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, Candide, 19. Nov 2003 12:57 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| Yes, but I think the fact that you recognize that it was a mistake is a very good sign. The key is to take that information and learn from it, as mkpoker suggests. I tend to realize I misplayed it just as, or immediatly after, I misplay. I prefer not to say I "horribly" or "terribly" misplayed it though :P I like to look at why I did it, and what I should have done. One day I'll probaly post hands here like mkpoker has done to great success. For now I'm content to read others and analyze my own though. I kinda think it is a progression...you start out and make mistakes, so you buy a few books, and get a bit better, but then misapply what you read, or don't apply all of it, whatever. Then you get to a point where you are playing decent, but making mistakes...yet do not even realize you made it. (this is the "everyone chases me to the river and wins" syndrome, imo). Later you start to realize, man, if i had bet there, he wouldn't have drawn out, or whatever mistake it is you made yet realized. I would imagine this stage never really goes away, but perhaps lessons, or the mistakes you analyze get smaller and smaller. Jason | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, inglise_eesti, 21. Nov 2003 20:59 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| Great post, very helpful responses as I've been doing the same thing. Probably on a much worse scale.(see getting started. tilt......please help) | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Anyone Else feel this way?, LJH, 25. Nov 2003 11:21 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| IAN J, I DO BECAUSE I'M HUMAN. JUST RELAX AND GO ON AND KEEP YOUR EYE ON YOUR OPPONENTS. LJH | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| POKER FORUM HOME | POKER FORUM | LINK TO US | ARCHIVE | ONLINE POKER | Copyright 2002, United Poker Forum |
|
Getting Started |
UPF Tournaments |
Poker News, Views, Rules |
Poker Strategy & Psychology |
Money and Bankroll Poker Bonuses & Promotions | World Series of Poker (WSOP) | Play Online Poker | Poker Odds & Statistics | Tournament Poker | Poker Books, Videos & Learning Tools Looking for a Poker Game | Poker Bad Beats | Not Quite Poker | Quizzes and Polls | Forum Suggestions & Bugs |
|
|
|
|
Interesting Links: Online Poker | Free Poker Games | United Poker Network |
|