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 Thoughts on this lay down, Lee Vaughn, 16. Nov 2003 20:32 | ||
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| I am in the BB w/ 88 in your typical loose/passive low limit online game. First and third players limp in, everyone else fold to the SB who calls and I just check. Flop comes Ts Ac 2c and the SB checks to me. I check also and the player to my left bets. The other two players call and I fold. Am I giving up too much w/ this fold? I feel like I have been getting hammered w/ these so so hands recently so I becoming a bit gunshy now. So now I am wondering was my fold solid or and I just getting skittish. Third pair w/ bad position seems like trouble. For what its worth the three players checked it down to the river and player 3 one w/ A Q high. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, mkpoker, 16. Nov 2003 21:48 | ||
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| I agree with the fold 100%. With 5 players and a T and A on the board, I'd bet the mortgage your pocket 88 is behind. You're drawing to a two-outer and clearly don't have the right odds. I'd lay this down every single time without a second thought. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, KJo, 16. Nov 2003 22:55 | ||
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| Amen. It would have been a terrible call. You're only questioning it because you would have won, remember that the results don't matter, making the right decision does. Eli on 16. Nov 2003 21:48 mkpoker wrote: > I agree with the fold 100%. With 5 players and a T and A on the board, I'd bet the > mortgage your pocket 88 is behind. You're drawing to a two-outer and clearly don't > have the right odds. I'd lay this down every single time without a second thought. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, PktJkrs, 16. Nov 2003 23:32 | ||
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| In loose low limit games I tend to play all pairs up the Jacks pretty timidly, and alot of times if i dont turn a set with them I fold. You made a very good lay down. Remember pocket 8s arent much better than pocket 2s if you cant put much presure on players with them. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, 4 POKER, 16. Nov 2003 23:38 | ||
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| That's a definite fold and don't even think that you're being gun-shy in this situation. You're in a loose but *passive* game here, and when a player bets out from EP and gets called by two other opponents, someone has an Ace, a Ten, or at worst, a straight draw. You're WAY behind to two of those possible holdings, and even if one or two of them were on drawing hands, your hand is still not that much of a favorite - and I would also think that the EP player is the one that should be credited for having a real hand here, and one that has you beat already. Your bad pair is really the problem here with *that* flop *combined* with interested opponents....not your bad position with it. Correct fold Lee - smart laydown. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, Angel, 16. Nov 2003 23:47 | ||
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| A clear fold - every time. | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down (with a twist), Williams21, 17. Nov 2003 08:17 | ||
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| I also agree with the fold 100%. My question stems from this problem and I was wondering what everyone thought I get 88 in the BB (same situation as above) and check. Flop comes 2d4c7h. Sb checks, I bet, and it's called around (In LL this is very possible). Then the turn comes 9s. SB checks. I feel that when I bet here, it's usually called around again by overcards and I'm screwed on the river if it's higher than 8(or if someone did indeed have a 9). If I check, it's usually bet by someone with a 9 or overcards and then I'm also screwed. I find these situations is where I'm loosing the most money. Comments? | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down (with a twist), KJo, 17. Nov 2003 13:37 | ||
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| In a LL game people often call a WTF bet on the flop and then fold on the turn if their overcards didn't hit. I would bet again on the turn to see what happens, you will fold off people with overcards that missed, and if someone hit their nine, so be it. It's still worth a bet. And keep in mind if you're worried about the jokers that call a bet on the flop with nothing but overcards, it's more likely that they have cards bigger than a nine. Eli on 17. Nov 2003 08:17 Williams21 wrote: > I also agree with the fold 100%. My question stems from this problem and I was > wondering what everyone thought > > I get 88 in the BB (same situation as above) and check. Flop comes 2d4c7h. Sb > checks, I bet, and it's called around (In LL this is very possible). Then the turn > comes 9s. SB checks. I feel that when I bet here, it's usually called around again > by overcards and I'm screwed on the river if it's higher than 8(or if someone did > indeed have a 9). If I check, it's usually bet by someone with a 9 or overcards and > then I'm also screwed. I find these situations is where I'm loosing the most > money. > > Comments? | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, SpaceAce, 17. Nov 2003 09:08 | ||
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| There are two overcards and two clubs on the board with a bet and two calls into your pocket 8s. I don't see how you could question this move at all; folding with the right play. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, LJH, 18. Nov 2003 07:43 | ||
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| lee, you played badly pre flop. with your hand you had to raise. ljh | ||
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| Re: Thoughts on this lay down, Phish, 18. Nov 2003 09:01 | ||
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| I think Phil Helmuth would recommend that you raise, and keep raising until he folds or one of you go all in. | ||
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