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 Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., PktJkrs, 15. Nov 2003 23:54 | ||
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| Most experienced players know that small pocket pairs and suited connectors are good against alot of opponents because of the pot-odds that alot of people can bring. At the same time big cards are usually prefered to be played against a few number of opponents, because they do not stand up well to alot of hands trying to run them down. We'll anyways my question is in loose - passive low limit games would it be a good idea to abandon hands like AK, AQ, KQ and so on, where you often times raise just to get 6 callers that alot of the time can run you down, and instead focus on playing small pairs and suited connectors??? I kinda like the idea and I actually had a pretty good night using the theory. Was I lucky or am I on to something here? | ||
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| Re: Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., SpaceAce, 16. Nov 2003 03:01 | ||
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| I don't think that's a good idea. Big cards go down in value but they don't become worthless, you just need to know how to play them. In my opinion, the most important thing about big cards in a chasing game is to know when to let them go. You shouldn't quit playing them but you should be ready to release them when you're beat. You'll feel like a schmuck when you toss away AQs only to have three more of your suit or 10-J-K come on the flop. You won't feel much better to junk AK and see AK fall on the board. Suited connectors are intended to flop big draws and small pairs want trips to be worth playing. Those are nice big hands but they don't come around as often as top pair or two pairs. I believe you would be giving up an enormous amount of value if you stopped playing big cards altogether UNLESS you are having such a hard time reading your opponents or putting down your big cards that they become a true liability. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., Rick B., 16. Nov 2003 11:07 | ||
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| The title of the song is "YOU GOT TO KNOW WHEN TO HOLD'EM AND WHEN TO FOLD'EM". That's all there is to it. Kenny Rogers condensed all the poker books that have ever been written into one song. The game is so fluid that any idea will work for a very short time, and then will fail for a very long time. The key to poker might be a consistent inconsistence. Just thinking out loud, Rick | ||
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| Re: Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., Lee Vaughn, 16. Nov 2003 21:38 | ||
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| You still want to get your money in (and more of their's too!) when you have these types of hands. Yes, maybe your raise won't thin out the field, but it will increase the pot and thus your expectation with those hands when you do take the pot down. You can't stop them from staying in with lesser hands, but you can punish them for an extra bet or two for doing it. Like the others have said though, you have to be cautious with those hands when your playing against several opponents. Your going to fold on the river a lot, and sometimes you are going to fold the winning hand. It's still right to raise. | ||
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| Re: Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., Snorbolus, 16. Nov 2003 23:48 | ||
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| In most cases I am still inclined to raise with AKo and AQo (not so keen on KQo though). But if you get plenty of callers then miss the flop it is very often not worth betting to represent an overpair, no matter how ragged it might look. They are going to call you anyway, thats why they called your pre-flop raise. Check-folding is the profitable choice. Snorbolus on 15. Nov 2003 23:54 PktJkrs wrote: > Most experienced players know that small pocket pairs and suited connectors are > good against alot of opponents because of the pot-odds that alot of people can > bring. At the same time big cards are usually prefered to be played against a > few number of opponents, because they do not stand up well to alot of hands > trying to run them down. We'll anyways my question is in loose - passive low > limit games would it be a good idea to abandon hands like AK, AQ, KQ and so on, > where you often times raise just to get 6 callers that alot of the time can run > you down, and instead focus on playing small pairs and suited connectors??? I > kinda like the idea and I actually had a pretty good night using the theory. Was > I lucky or am I on to something here? | ||
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| Re: Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., LJH, 18. Nov 2003 07:47 | ||
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| pkt, you have hit it these are the hand to ply in that game.ljh | ||
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| Re: Crazy Low Limit Hold'em Ideas., WilliamS, 18. Nov 2003 09:31 | ||
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| I have done some thinking on these concepts myself and I think a lot of confusion comes in when people get too technical in "how hands play". We all have it beat into our head that small pairs and suited connectors play well against lots of people and I support that comment 100%. There has to be a "volume" of people in the pot to get the right price to play these hands. With that knowledge comes the opposite assumption that big cards, big pairs, and the like play well only against a small number of opponents. I agree, you will win a higher percentage of pots against fewer opponents with these type hands, but you will win (possibly) more money against the higher number of opponents. I believe Mike has alluded to similar concepts in some of his writings. For example, lets say you have the option of playing QQ or 55 against a field of 6 opponents. Granted, with 55 you need a volume pot such as the hypothetical one listed above so there is a good chance 55 is a money making hand in most circumstances with 6 players seeing the flop. Now lets look at QQ, sure you would love to play this hand heads up against 1 opponent, but given the choice b/w 55 or QQ aren't we all going to take the QQ in this case? The main difference comes from how to play these hands post flop. The 55 is going to be easier to get away from if you don't hit your set where you will probably leak away more money with the QQ when no overcards come on the flop and you don't improve. So, the key to this illustration and playing "big cards" in loose passive games with lots of players seeing the flop is playing the big cards appropriately post flop. IE ..... getting away from them when you should and pumping them when you should. Will | ||
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