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 Basic PL Omaha question, AS, 15. Nov 2003 00:35 | ||
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| I have a real basic question for PL Omaha high. I seem to be having trouble gauging the strength of top two pair. In one hand I was on the button and flopped top two on a board of AK5 rainbow. First player (a chronic underbettor) bet minimum, one caller, and then a fairly loose player two seats to my right raised minimum. What is the correct play here? At the time I just called but as I'm here thinking about it, I think a big raise would have been much better. This type of hand also seems to often create difficult situations in ep. I almost always bet out the pot unless its a scare board which I think is the right play, but when is it time to back off? If one person flat calls, do you bet the pot again on the turn, assuming no flush/straight comes? How about the river? Keep in mind that I'm playing very low limits so the play of my opponents is generally a far cry from optimal. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Aaron | ||
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| Re: Basic PL Omaha question, 4 POKER, 15. Nov 2003 13:11 | ||
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| Hi AS- There are a few factors that should be considered when you flop the top two pair in Omaha - 1. How many opponents are involved in the hand? (The less players you have, the greater a chance you have to take down the pot, as there may not be as many drawing hands out there). 2. Do you have any redraw to the hand? Did you flop the top two pair with a nut flush draw - and/or do you also have 2 cards that can connect to the nut straight? Example: You hold A-K-Q-J and the flop comes up A-K-7. That would give you redraw in connecting to the nut straight. If there was a 2-flush on the flop, do you also have a draw to the nut flush? The more outs (redraw) you hold when you flop a hand like the top two pair.....the more you need to be betting and/or raising it. However, (and this does and will depend sometimes on how many players have seen the flop), if you do flop the top two pair (we'll use A-K for example), and there is alot of heavy betting on the flop, you may need to just fold your hand, and one reason being: your two pair may not be live to hit because that can be a good indicator that one or more of your opponents also has an Ace and/or a King in their hand, OR perhaps, they even could have flopped a set, which would leave you drawing dead or very slim to improve, OR, there could be someone who holds nut straight cards to improve to, or, a nut flush draw to connect to if a 2-flush is present. All those factors are key, and they need to be considered before you committ too many or *any* of your chips. Pot limit plays much differently than limit, and you don't want to get caught up in calling hefty bets with only a few outs to improve to, and especially when a pot is multi-way action. Save those bets when YOU are drawing strong, and also try to use your position to work in your favor whether you are trying to get a free card, or a check-raise in there when you want the hand to go heads up with your top two pair, etc., etc. Heads up play allows for more leeway when pertaining to being able to be a little bit more aggresive, with your Top Two.... (but you still need to be cautious at times)... but the more players that are contesting for the pot, then all the more likely, that someone is drawing to the nuts - whether it be a complete wrap around straight.....the nut flush draw....or top set. Also in Heads up play - you may have flopped the top two pair but you also hold a redraw to a flush but it's not the nut flush; well that redraw *may* be good enough if the flush does hit because it's just you and one other player. (not always but sometimes). Hope that helps a bit. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Basic PL Omaha question, AS, 15. Nov 2003 13:58 | ||
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| Thanks a lot for your advice! Sounds like some good stuff and I'll work on it. Aaron | ||
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| Re: Basic PL Omaha question, Schuster, 15. Nov 2003 18:04 | ||
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| Great post Dave. I will preface this by saying that I'm far from an expert PLO8 player. The times when I will play top two pair aggressively are when there is no low draw and no reasonable high draws. For example, a flop of A-K-8 puts a lot of draws to broadway and a lot of low draws out there, and if you get called, you'll probably end up splitting or getting nothing by the end of the hand. However, if you flop top two pair with a flop of K-9-2, then good draws are a lot less likely, since someone would have to hold T-J-Q-X for a wrap and there is no low draw. If I bet out with top two pair, I want to win it on the flop, and if I don't, I'll have to use my best judgement on whether or not to shut down on the turn. When I'm not sure if I should play or not, I generally just let it go, since if I fold incorrectly, it will only cost me a little bit, but if I play incorrectly, it will cost me a lot more. Lee | ||
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| Re: Basic PL Omaha question, AS, 15. Nov 2003 18:13 | ||
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| Actually, I was referring to Omaha high. From your post though, it sounds like, eliminating the low factor, you would jam it on the flop (except real scare boards) and then make a decision on the turn. Does that sound right? Aaron | ||
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| Re: Basic PL Omaha question, Schuster, 15. Nov 2003 18:17 | ||
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| Oops, didn't realize it was just for omaha high... well in that case, I'd evaluate the board in terms of draws. If there's no flush draw or good straight draws, then yeah, I'd try to take it down on the pot. A good player will muck bottom set to a pot sized bet on the flop, and since you have top two, it's unlikely that anyone else holds a set of those. If you get called (or raised) on an uncoordinated board, watch out. You could be in deep trouble. Lee | ||
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| Re: Basic PL Omaha question, grant pittman, 16. Nov 2003 07:51 | ||
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| AS.... PLO is a game where you look for a GREAT SPOT for your money and try to get it in the pot when you KNOW you are a current favorite or you are a mathematical favorite to win with cards to come when you are drawing. I don't like your call on the flop. I would muck this hand EVEN if I suspected that the player to my right could raise a lesser hand than mine on the flop!!! Two other opponents have shown interest in this pot before the raiser acted....it is VERY VERY unlikely that you have everyone beat at this moment. I would suggest that you won't be pushing any opponent out who has you beat or tied by raising and I will assume you don't hold J10 Q10 or QJ as your other 2 cards for a nut redraw. I would hate to have to play this mess on the turn if you missed the ace or king.....YUK!!!!!!! Fold and wait for a better spot to get your money in....you will surely find one!!! Just my thoughts. GRANT PITTMAN | ||
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