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 taking K2s to the river baby!, Palinya, 14. Nov 2003 13:51 | ||
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| It's a very loose, passive game. There are 4 people at the table that voluntarily put $ in the pot over 50% of the time. The rest are in the 30-45% range. You are the big blind and get dealt Kc 2c and nobody raises so you get to see the flop on a check. One of the tighter ones stayed in (from late position) as well as 3 of the 50+% people. SB wasn't tight but not real loose, he's in too. So at this point there are 5 people in plus yourself... there are 6 bets in the pot The flop comes up Ah, 6c, 2s... not a lot of drawing opportunities but with that many in, you know someone has a A. You check, someone in MP bets and 1 folds... tight player is in. Now it is your turn and the pot is now up to 8 bets. You haven't put anything in voluntarily yet. You know he has the A. What do you do? I called him and here's why... I have a pair of 2s already. The way I look at it any 2 gives me trips, any K gives me 2 pair. This leaves me with 5 outs. This whole strategy assumes someone doesn't already have his trips or A high 2 pair. My trip 2s won't stand to anyone else with trips and my 2 pair won't stand to anyone with an A and paired his crappy kicker. 42:5 = 8.4:1 There are 8 bets in already and I'm pretty sure there is someone after me that will put in another. Besides it's early and if I get it on the turn, I can take a few more bets in. If I miss it on the turn I'm prepared to fold it. Not only this but if another club comes out I have 4 clubs and the possibility of a K high flush so I will again have pot odds to draw. This is exactly what happened... 7c comes up. This is a good card for me. Doesn't make a straight for anyone and it brings me closer to a flush and gives me enough outs to go to the river. Then an Ac comes out on the river. This makes my flush stronger since I have the nut flush but it also could have made someone a full house. Well, I've come this far betting someone with an A didn't pair their kicker too so I stick with it and bet. Turns out I won this hand, nobody with an A matched their kicker too. So what do you think? Going for it with my K2s with an A on the board... was this crazy or well calculated odds? Was it reckless for me to just assume I wasn't drawing dead to 2 pair? There were initial bets but then just calls... nobody did a raise anywhere in the hand. The funny thing is without the 2 I would have easily folded here. I would have folded my KQs here but in this instance, K2s was worth a bet for me. Those 2 outs (which I missed) made all the difference. | ||
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| Re: taking K2s to the river baby!, Palinya, 14. Nov 2003 14:18 | ||
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| If a pro won a hand this way would it have been a crazy shot chasing down back door flush and rivering someone or would it have been considered a great 'imaginitive' play? | ||
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| Re: taking K2s to the river baby!, Schuster, 14. Nov 2003 16:13 | ||
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| There's no draws on the board, and you figured that hitting any of your outs would be good from the action so far. The backdoor flush draw will compensate enough to make the play +EV despite your slightly less than required odds. Just be aware that if your opponents are prone to checkraise and there are some still left to act, you should be a lot more hesitant to make a call like this. Lee | ||
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| Re: taking K2s to the river baby!, Blue Sky, 14. Nov 2003 15:34 | ||
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| Palinya, I have to say that I don't really like the play...not that you couldn't justify the odds. But, IMHO, your drawing very thin against what you believe to be a much better hand then you already have. It worked for you here but your going to cost yourself alot of money in the future with this play, I recommend not trying it in the future. | ||
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| Re: taking K2s to the river baby!, SpaceAce, 14. Nov 2003 17:51 | ||
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| I think that was a marginal play. I would have only made this play if I were getting substantially better than even odds. Consider: You believe you are already beat. Your best bet was a backdoor flush. Right there, that's kind of ugly. You are NOT drawing to the nuts. Some of your outs are tainted (pairing the board could make a boat for someone). Not only are you not getting the correct pot odds, I'd say your implied odds are pretty iffy. Another high card or a pair on the board or even a card that makes two or three of a suit might scare out some of the bets you are hoping to get in on the turn. I probably would have laid this one down unless the pot odds were fantastic. SpaceAce | ||
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