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 dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), TxSteve, 14. Nov 2003 13:12 | ||
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| ok.. i have played for a few years now...most of my hours are online...though i started in a b&m and home games... anyway... a couple months back i won a bad beat jackpot to the tune of about 9.5K i tipped the dealer 200....and the floor manager 100 (it was a small room in oregon..i was there for business) the next day i was at a table again...and people started dogging me saying the "always tip 10% of bad beat jackpots to the dealer".. am i a cheapskate? | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), 4 POKER, 14. Nov 2003 13:22 | ||
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| To me, 10% sounds a bit high. I do think that it was a nice gesture on your part to tip the floorperson, but I probably would have tipped the dealer $400. (400 for the dealer - 100 for the floorperson, and kept the remaining 9K). | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), danimales, 14. Nov 2003 13:30 | ||
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| Well, I guess I am a cheapskate too. 10% sounds pretty hefty. Besides, if I'm going to part with 10% of my jackpot, I'm going to have some more fun with it. Couple hundred to the dealer, floorperson, maybe pad some stacks around the table. Heck, it would be just as fun to walk around the casino and pad the bets of others at the Blackjack tables! If you don't want to do this, 4 POKER's of $400/$100 keep the remaining 9k sounds good. | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), ReMMy, 14. Nov 2003 14:05 | ||
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| I can't comment on what is standard for a badbeat jackpot, but I think its interesting that people will try to put you down for not tipping enough. It's honestly NOT their business. If its apparent that someone doesn't know then it's certainly OK to quietly make sure they are aware of standard %'s. If someone openly voiced their disapproval to me in front of others I'd tell them to screw off... P.S. I'm not a cheapskate, I'm the guy who quietly adds a few extra bucks to the tip after eating out if everyone only wants to leave 15%, It's my choice to leave 20% and there's no need to make others feel cheap. I've quietly added to the tip when people are pissed at the service and only leave 7 or 8% if I know it wasn't the waiter/waitresses fault. It bothers me that people think they have the right to tell you how to spend YOUR money! | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), TxSteve, 14. Nov 2003 14:14 | ||
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| i never actually told them what i tipped...but they were just talking and talking about their 10% rule... i'm a good tipper in restaurants...i worked in restaurants for 10 years...so in that genre i tend to overtip... but here...let's just round it out...and tipping 1000 dollars is pretty high...especially considering the dealer didn't actually DO anything besides deal the cards...if he had stacked the deck or something then i believe he would deserve a cut :) but the fact that those cards came up is random....he didn't have any intentional affect on it.. 1000$ is a lot of money as all would agree.....maybe i chinced out by only tipping 300$.....i don't know (just for the record...the guy who won that hand won 4500 of the jackpot and everyone else at the table got 550..i don't know how they tipped) | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), danimales, 14. Nov 2003 14:31 | ||
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| I am generally a good tipper at restaurants and the like, but I agree with the others here that I don't have any business scolding someone aloud concerning their tipping. It's rude, offensive, and just a ploy to bring attention to yourself at a lame attempt to impress others. If someone were to quietly and politely inform you of the tipping procedures, then maybe, MAYBE that would be ok. Depends on intentions. Regardless, if I was a dealer I would be more than happy to get a couple hundred in one tip! So, just forget about it. One time I was playing blackjack, and a guy at the Carribean Stud table behind me won the Royal Flush progressive jackpot: $78,000. Want to know what he tipped the dealer? 50 bucks. So if you were accused of being cheap tipping $200 on a $9500 jackpot, imagine what insults were hurled at this guy. (I must admit, while I didn't hurl any insults, I did shake my head in utter disbelief.) | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), KJo, 14. Nov 2003 16:24 | ||
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| I think the worst story I've heard was a guy who won a $120,000 slot jackpot, then gave a $10 tip for the slot attendants (a dozen of them to split the $10, no less). Some people are what I would describe as "unclear on the concept." Eli on 14. Nov 2003 14:31 danimales wrote: > I am generally a good tipper at restaurants and the like, but I agree with the others > here that I don't have any business scolding someone aloud concerning their tipping. > It's rude, offensive, and just a ploy to bring attention to yourself at a lame > attempt to impress others. > > If someone were to quietly and politely inform you of the tipping procedures, then > maybe, MAYBE that would be ok. Depends on intentions. Regardless, if I was a dealer I > would be more than happy to get a couple hundred in one tip! So, just forget about > it. > > One time I was playing blackjack, and a guy at the Carribean Stud table behind me > won the Royal Flush progressive jackpot: $78,000. Want to know what he tipped the > dealer? > > 50 bucks. > > So if you were accused of being cheap tipping $200 on a $9500 jackpot, imagine what > insults were hurled at this guy. (I must admit, while I didn't hurl any insults, I > did shake my head in utter disbelief.) > > | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), ICIP, 14. Nov 2003 16:29 | ||
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| Was this at Spirit Mountain or Seven Feathers? Anyways, I think that you tipped just fine. A $200 tip is a pretty large tip. If everyone at the table follow the 10% rule, the dealer would end up with almost $2000, which is almost 4 times the amount of the players with the low share. Is that truly fair, since we are the ones risking our money to win that jackpot? This is one reason why I now like online. In B&M you have rake and toke, which really cuts into your profits. While online, there is just a rake, which is smaller, on average, then B&M. It is your money, and you need to decide how to spend it. | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), AS, 14. Nov 2003 16:57 | ||
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| Ok, I think I'm missing something here. Now, I can understand giving the dealer a decent tip after you get lucky and win the jackpot but in what way am I obligated to give the dealer a big tip when I'm the one playing and putting my money at risk. Yes the dealer is generally doing a nice job and moving the game along smoothly, and that's why I tip a dollar or two out of each pot. Tipping a lot just because someone dealt you a lucky hand seems to follow a faulty line of reasoning that was brought up in the tipping thread about a month ago. A lot of people base their tipping on how lucky they are getting, as if the dealer has anything to do with this. Does it make sense to tip a poor dealer $4 when you are playing bad and putting ad beats on others, as opposed to tipping just a dollar when you are playing well and not getting spectacular cards? It just seems to me that the whole notion of dealer tipping is based on how lucky you are getting, not on how well the dealer is dealing, which is both illogical and unfair to the good dealers. I think that were I to win a jackpot I would vary the amount greatly, depending on how well the dealer had been dealing that night. Does this not strike anyone else as odd? Aaron | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), TxSteve, 15. Nov 2003 01:17 | ||
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| yes...it was at the 7 feathers.... very nice (but small) poker room....dealers and poker room manager extremely nice and friendly...and the people were pretty nice too... | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), LJH, 17. Nov 2003 04:39 | ||
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| txsteve, your tip was great. pay no attention to those yahoos. ljh | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), ADAM THE EXPERT, 17. Nov 2003 07:44 | ||
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| Once again, you have been blessed, with a response from ADAM the EXPERT, the number one authority in the world, on dealing poker, and the number two authority int the world, on playing poker. (under Mike Caro, but above all the others) Ok, the truth is: The whole notion, of the ten percent for jackpots, is just a myth, created and perpetuated, by dealers. Remember, although arrogent and opnionated, ADAM the EXPERT, will NEVER EVER give you incorrect advice, or tell you something that is only my personal theory. Dealers are by nature, spoiled little brats, and very immature. Or, even they were'nt before they got started, the concept of making "cash daily" fosters these traits, BIG TIME. You can always party hardy, knowing that there will be more money tomorrow. Your tip, was in actuality, quite nice. Look at it this way: Suppose a dealer was dealing some game, where the pots were in the 9500 range, such as 150-300. He (SHE) pushes the pot over to the player, and what would that dealer get> A: one dollar or B: zero A generous tipper, would give two, and a total MANIAC tipper, would give the $11 that he had left over from a quarter, after paying collection. Or, put in terms for the average player. Suppose you won 95 $100 pots, in a 4-8 game, over the course of a month, and you are generous. You would give 2 bucks a pot, twice what the average person would tip. So, you would tip just under $200, for this amount. Now, I'm not picking on dealers, but the fact is: they are getting wimpier every day!!!! Expecting people NOT to yell at them, or call them names, that is supposed to be part of the job. I'm not an advocate of dealer abuse, but the current thinking, that a player can get a penalty, for the most minor of statement (Such as "idiot, where'd you learn to deal") Is INSANE!! If it is more than just something that is said, in a moment of anger, such as : Racial Slurs, Major Major Swear words, and/or goes on and on, yes, the dealer has the right to complaln. But the fact remains: this is the highest paying, relative to the educational requirements of the job, in the WORLD, and being picked on, is a VERY big part of what they are being paid for. The last full time dealing job ADAM the EXPERT had, paid a take-home income of an average of $635 a week, for a 24 hour three day work week. Most people, would lick dirt off people's shoes, for that kind of money, so they sure as heck should be able to take a little heat. As long as no one lays their hands on me, or is interfering with the game, I took anything they had to say, and laughed all the way to the bank. And I certainly NEVER expected a whopping ten percent, on jackpots. So, Steve, feel good about yourself, you did nothing "wrong" Tips should be awarded on the basis of skill, and exhibited courtesy, not some artificial "tradition' that was started by the people who are receiving the tips. If a dealer is unskilled, or rude, you have my permission, to tip NOTHING, as long as you explain WHY you are doing it, and offer them hope that you will tip, when the problem is corrected. Hopefully, when my upcoming "professional poker dealing, from A to Z, comes out, the level of professional dealing, will increase. In fact, It is my fault, that the skill of dealers, in most places, is not up to par, because I have been to lazy, to complete the book. By the way, to all my fans, I appreciate your fan letters. Adam | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), timmer, 17. Nov 2003 09:06 | ||
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| you should of said "well Im taking up an additional tip collection care to donate ?" 10% is out of the question you tipped off around 3% a little more Which i feel is right on the money and by no way cheapskate | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), Phish, 17. Nov 2003 20:07 | ||
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| Adam, I disagree vehemently with you on your attitude to dealer abuse. No one in this day and age (or any other, for that matter) should have to suffer verbal abuse at their jobs. The dealers can't control the cards, and the idiots who abuse them as if they could are just simply idiots. Who do they abuse online? The computer, for putting out that bad beat? I repeat, dealers should not have to take abuse and people who abuse dealers are IDIOTS. Which is not to say that dealers should never be criticized. I've had dealers who were inattentive, error-prone, and more interesting in flirting than doing their jobs. Those dealers should be told to act professionally. But players who abuse dealers because the dealer 'cold-decked' him should be told to behave or get out. We all know that verbal abuse of the weaker players are bad for the game (in my opinion it is worse than people realize because you don't know of all the novice players who never return because they did not have 'fun' while they lost their money). By the same token dealer abuse is also bad because it makes it less fun for the 'tourists' to play. But regardless of its practical consequences, just as a matter of human decency, no one should have to put up with verbal abuse on the job, plain and simple. And the best cardrooms, the ones which are most pleasant to play in, have zero-tolerance policies towards such abuse. Regarding the $200 tip, I think your tip was plenty generous. My attitude towards tipping is that it is how dealers make most of their money and it is an expected cost of playing poker. But just as the dealer has no control when you lose (and hence should not be blamed), he/she also had no control over when you win, so the size of the pot you win should not determine how much you tip. (That said, I sometimes do tip bigger when I win a big pot, though it runs counter to my philosophy). And sometimes playing real short-handed, I generally tip the dealer a fixed amount at the end of the half hour regardless of my results rather than tip after every winning pot. | ||
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| Re: dealer tipping ettiquette (please read), Bond18, 19. Nov 2003 16:05 | ||
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| I totally disagree with anybody calling you a cheapstake, maybe 10% is the rule WHEN DEALING WITH NORMAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY. Tipping almost 1000 dollars is just insane, its your bad beat jackpot and nobody can tell you how to spend it. | ||
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