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 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, DGR, 14. Nov 2003 08:12 | ||
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| I have been comming to 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em tables with $200 dollars. I have been playing poker for only 4 months and am up, in terms of winnings. However, my question is how do i calculate the proper amount to sit at a table? I have read 200x the top bet. This seems a bit high for a 3/6 game (200x6=1200). Is it really high, or just average? what do the most experienced players take to a 3/6 game? I have had a few times were the 200 dollar stack was a bit thin when it came to getting through a run of cold cards. I uusally play for 8-12 hours before taking a break - sometimes longer depending on the action that night. Thank again! | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, TAKEDOWN, 14. Nov 2003 08:21 | ||
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| After 3 yrs of play, I still consider myself a novice but what I have found out by my own experience is that you need at least 200 BB units to play in whatever level your in as swings can be as high as 250 BB units. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, Mark Barnett II, 14. Nov 2003 09:41 | ||
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| ummm i think you are mixing and matching different things *apples and oranges* bankroll=total amount you have to gamble/play poker with, hopefully this number grows over time so that you may slowly move up limits and make it grow even faster. buy-in=the amount you buy when you sit down to play a specific session session stake *not sure of exact term*=money you are willing to risk at this specific session before you get up and walk away *bad luck, cards cold, just not your day...* bank roll very roughly should be 300 BB of the game you play in most of the time *if you see awesome oppurtunites higher or lower limits this number is somewhat meaningless* buy-in should be roughly 25-30 BB, you dont want to be short stacked when the cards come, you want to be able to survive some cold cards but you dont want to annoy the casino employees buying in for some insane amount that everyone knows your not going to use. session stake varies widely depending on you and your personality, you say you like to spend 8-12 hours playing at a time *hopefully with at least 1 or 2 food breaks* i would advise having no more than your buy in doubled as a session stake, if you lose 50 BB you are probably dangerously close to the threshold of misery *Mike Caro's term for not caring anymore* which can be a bankroll destroyer. with 60 BB total you should have plenty of reserve to overcome some seriously bad cards and beats and if not then you probably need to realize its not your day and get up. so for your 3/6 example bankroll=1800ish buy in=150ish session stake=360ish Rule #1 of Poker Circumstances alter cases Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1 | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, DGR, 14. Nov 2003 10:01 | ||
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| Thanks for the clarification(s). It has helped me alot, as I am new to the game. That was GREAT info! Thanks again. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, skadet, 14. Nov 2003 10:09 | ||
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| Good info Mark, it helped me too. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, ADAM THE EXPERT, 17. Nov 2003 07:59 | ||
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| ok DGR, like everyone else, you fail to state your goal in poker. Are you trying to make a living? Are you just trying to have fun? When someone (incorrectly) says 200 big bets, they mean that is what is required to play the game, every day, and never go busted. That figure is, of course, inaccurate. NOT, what to sit down with, each time you play. A good rule of thumb is: Buy the same amount, that represents the average amount you win, on a winning session. The fact is: if you go through, say, a rack and a stack, and are playing correctly, it (probably) JUST ISN'T YOUR DAY. There is no explaing this concept, in scientific terms, but if you want to make money in this game, you better listen to ADAM the EXPERT, and NOT the "EGGHEADS" (as I call them) NO it isn't "one continuous game" and NO you don't continue to play, as long as the game is good, and you are not tired, or otherwise unable to play correctly. The last thing you want to do, is lose three or four times, what you win, on an average winning day. Now, it takes you three sessions, just to be BACK to even. On a KILLER day, you can win 3, 4 even $500 or more, in a good 3-6 game, so, take your rack and stack lose, and hope for a better day tomorrow. There are so many games, and they have them 365 days a year, so only in the RAREst of circumstances, do you continue, when you are getting your butt kicked. If you are in the "game from heaven, where one average pot, can erase a $200 defecit, then, you may double the $120 figure, but that's it. If they ain't a coming, they ain't a coming. That may sound ignorant, or "simpleton" but it's the truth. any other questions, may be answered by emailing me at AdamofAlaska@hotmail.com | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, noiseboy, 17. Nov 2003 10:02 | ||
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| I used to be of the other school of thought, but now I'm converted. I don't stay in a game when I'm losing just because I think it's a good game. The thing is that a lot of your profit in poker comes from people being afraid of you and being able to put a lot of pressure on the competition. When you are losing, people catch on and you can't do a lot of the things you can when you are winning, like semi-bluffing for example. Also, it sometimes affects even the best players ability to play well, when they keep getting burned on good hands. It also makes it really depressing if you lose more than you can make back in one session. The "I have to get even" mentality that this breeds is detrimental to good play. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, timmer, 17. Nov 2003 09:00 | ||
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| more down right BS has been written about bankroll than any other poker topic. If you are playing 3 6 you dont really need a bankroll at all . if you have a good job doesnt matter, if your independently wealthy it doesnt matter, if you are flat broke it doesnt matter. what matters is that you are a winning player if you are great, if you are not, you will lose as much money as you lose regardless of if your bankroll is one buy in or 1000 buy ins. If however you plan on keeping your losses within set parameters and if you go below the minimum you will quit for life then a bankroll is a good way to keep track. A bit of honest record keeping is a good way also. Now say you are a winning player and are winning money month to month year to year and want to take some cash out of the poker economy but dont want to leave your self short and dont want to go to a pay check or a savings account to get in to a game. then I suggest you (a hold em player) tuck 2 to 4 hunderd big bets under your mattress to keep you going in case of one of those inevitable down runs. If you are like me and keep terrific records and are a winning players and dont care where the physical cash comes from be it from a pay check , my aunt tillie, The Bureau of Printing and Engraving or a savings account then keep your "bankroll" there. you really dont have to worry much about a low limit bankroll because it easily replaced from other sources. I d say just keep track and if you lose over 300 big bets in a 3/6 game you need to play a little less and study a lot more . That or find another game. diligent recordkeeping is the key . if you dont want to keep records then take 3 or 4 hundered big bets in the form of cash. tuck it in a cigar box or put it under your pillow and use it only for poker and when you lose 300 of those big bets . take the remaining 600 and invest in some study material or some lessons. Bottom line is that if you want to use a stand alone pile of cash for poker and dont want to add to it and are willing to quit for life if you lose it then 300 big bets is a reasonable number for hold em. But if you want to be a winning player you need to keep records. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, Phish, 17. Nov 2003 20:16 | ||
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| on 17. Nov 2003 09:00 timmer wrote: > more down right BS has been written about bankroll than any other poker topic. If you > are playing 3 6 you dont really need a bankroll at all . if you have a good job > doesnt matter, if your independently wealthy it doesnt matter, if you are flat broke > it doesnt matter. > > what matters is that you are a winning player if you are great, if you are not, you > will lose as much money as you lose regardless of if your bankroll is one buy in or > 1000 buy ins. > > If however you plan on keeping your losses within set parameters and if you go > below the minimum you will quit for life then a bankroll is a good way to keep > track. A bit of honest record keeping is a good way also. > > Now say you are a winning player and are winning money month to month year to year > and want to take some cash out of the poker economy but dont want to leave your self > short and dont want to go to a pay check or a savings account to get in to a game. > then I suggest you (a hold em player) tuck 2 to 4 hunderd big bets under your > mattress to keep you going in case of one of those inevitable down runs. If you are > like me and keep terrific records and are a winning players and dont care where the > physical cash comes from be it from a pay check , my aunt tillie, The Bureau of > Printing and Engraving or a savings account then keep your "bankroll" there. > > you really dont have to worry much about a low limit bankroll because it easily > replaced from other sources. > > I d say just keep track and if you lose over 300 big bets in a 3/6 game you need > to play a little less and study a lot more . That or find another game. diligent > recordkeeping is the key . if you dont want to keep records then take 3 or 4 hundered > big bets in the form of cash. tuck it in a cigar box or put it under your pillow and > use it only for poker and when you lose 300 of those big bets . take the remaining > 600 and invest in some study material or some lessons. > > Bottom line is that if you want to use a stand alone pile of cash for poker and dont > want to add to it and are willing to quit for life if you lose it then 300 big bets > is a reasonable number for hold em. > But if you want to be a winning player you need to keep records. Best post yet on the topic of bankroll. | ||
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| Re: 3/6 Limit Hold 'Em Bankroll, LJH, 21. Nov 2003 14:10 | ||
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| DGR, $200 is just fine for 3-6. ljh | ||
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