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 Multi-Table Tournaments, JohnFR, 14. Nov 2003 07:48 | ||
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| Recently, I have began playing in some of the bigger multi-table tournaments, mostly rebuys($3 rebuy satellites, and $5 regular rebuy tournaments). I typically sign up and rebuy immediately giving me a stack of 2000 chips. The last 4 of these I have played in, I play really well at first. All four times I have taken over first place in chip lead overall, I seem to be able to do this with ease, almost like when I signup for the tournament I know it is going to happen. Unfortunately, once I am chip lead, I have had a terrible time with it. The first time I had chip lead in one of these tournaments I decided I was going to tighten up slightly, since the rebuy period was over and I figured everybody else would tighten up. Well this didn't work so well, I got blinded off and anytime I made any sort of a move people folded so I could only win small pots, so I started using this to my advantage and stealing blinds occasionally, but eventually a similar stack moved to the table and started calling me and making some nice draws with good pot odds. The next tourney that I grabbed chip lead I decided that I would play a bit looser than normal trying to steal some blinds, make some draws and knock some people out of the tourney, well this didn't work out so well, I was making second best hands and getting bluffed out of a lot of pots(what is it about having chip lead that make people think they can make large bluffs against you)? The hand that finally knocked me out of contention was what I thought was a bluff from a similarly stacked player, I read him as bluffing me a couple of times previously and I had a semi-strong hand so I felt that I could call and lo and behold I lose that hand and go on to bust out shortly after. The third time I became chip lead, I was so nervous about taking chip lead that I almost didn't call 2 people that moved all-in even though I knew that I had the absolute nuts(A high flush no pairs on the board), I was that nervous about being chip lead again. Needless to say after I took chiplead I went on to lose the tournament. This seems almost like an endless cycle that I can't break, just as some background information, I play a lot of SnG's and currently I am placing in about 50% of these, which is fairly solid I would suppose, but I NEVER take chip lead at these tables, I do best as a middle stack being tight aggressive, everytime I have had a big chip lead at a SnG I take second, usually because the player will go all in 3 or 4 times in a row heads up and beat me each time on a draw on the turn or river. Finally my question, I feel that I am a below average player when my stack gets really low, an above average player from a medium stack, and a nervous average player as chip lead, what advice would you give me? I seriously have no clue what I can do I have tried playing similarly to what I do as a medium stack, loosening up and tightening up. Any and all advice is very appreciated(sorry about the long winded post) Cheers! John | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, beigs, 14. Nov 2003 08:43 | ||
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| I feel your pain. I too have a hard time playing with the lead. Any tournament I've monied in, I've been playing from behind, get a run of cards which destroys most of my competition and end up in the money. My leak is that, when I'm in the lead, I want to bust people out and I stop paying attention to who and what I'm up against. Still not sure how to play the bully or when to tighten up. beigs | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, Grateful Rooster, 14. Nov 2003 09:32 | ||
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| I actually feel most comfortable with the chip lead, and am quite successful -- at least in SNGs, mostly because it gives me more options. However, I don't know if I have much specific advice to give. The key to me, is to play position and the other guy's cards more than your's. As the large stack, you can use your bully power to essentially increase the pot entry fee. You have to get a feel for how large a "bring in" raise needs to be at each level. You want to keep these raises about the same if you have the goods or not so that no one can get a read. If you don't take the pot right there (and you will many times), you know you're playing against a solid starting hand. Then let the board and the other guy's opening tell you what he has. The key is knowing when to get away from the hand and when to put the other guy all-in if you meet resistance. Don't get bullied yourself and don't get wild. That's situational and is where poker skill really comes in. I find I can take enough off the small bully pots to make up for any lost gambles on an inaccurate read or value bets. Image is important, though. Early, without the large stack, you don't really have the respect to pull off the bullying. You have to show down a winner or two to put fear into the table. You also have to know when to back off this strategy and play tighter. Sorry if this sounds too much like Kenny Rogers, but I find that there are really very few absolutes in NL HE, which is why I like it. | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, FlopDaNutz, 14. Nov 2003 09:47 | ||
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| Very well said Grateful roost -FlopDaNutz I'm not a player I just MUCK a lot! | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, Dr_Monkey, 17. Nov 2003 11:39 | ||
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| > -FlopDaNutz I'm not a player I just MUCK a lot! Now that's a FUNNY signature. | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, JohnFR, 14. Nov 2003 10:38 | ||
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| Thanks for the advice Grateful, in Sit N Go's I do better with the large stack, typically in multi-table tournaments, I show down a lot of hands and instill fear in the people that are at the table to begin with, what really hurts me is when a semi-largish stack moves to my table from another table, this is when I start getting burned. I haven't lost many hands to people I start the tourney with it is usually when somebody moves to my table or I move to another table that I have trouble getting beat with second best hands. I do like your advice for Sit N Gos though, I do need to try to bully a bit more, having half the chips at the table should give me the power to be a little looser and much more aggressive making people go all in with hands that are sub-optimal or fold. Cheers, John | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, KJo, 14. Nov 2003 13:59 | ||
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| It's been often said that a good poker player needs the right combination of fear and arrogance, seems from your post you've got too much of the former and not enough of the latter. Don't be afraid or nervous about the new big stacks that move to your table. I prefer to look at others with big stacks with a level of disdain, sort of a "they don't deserve those chips" attitude. You can't be a bully if you're playing scared. Eli on 14. Nov 2003 07:48 JohnFR wrote: > Recently, I have began playing in some of the bigger multi-table tournaments, > mostly rebuys($3 rebuy satellites, and $5 regular rebuy tournaments). I > typically sign up and rebuy immediately giving me a stack of 2000 chips. The > last 4 of these I have played in, I play really well at first. All four times I > have taken over first place in chip lead overall, I seem to be able to do this > with ease, almost like when I signup for the tournament I know it is going to > happen. Unfortunately, once I am chip lead, I have had a terrible time with > it. > > The first time I had chip lead in one of these tournaments I decided I was > going to tighten up slightly, since the rebuy period was over and I figured > everybody else would tighten up. Well this didn't work so well, I got blinded > off and anytime I made any sort of a move people folded so I could only win > small pots, so I started using this to my advantage and stealing blinds > occasionally, but eventually a similar stack moved to the table and started > calling me and making some nice draws with good pot odds. > > The next tourney that I grabbed chip lead I decided that I would play a bit > looser than normal trying to steal some blinds, make some draws and knock some > people out of the tourney, well this didn't work out so well, I was making > second best hands and getting bluffed out of a lot of pots(what is it about > having chip lead that make people think they can make large bluffs against you)? > The hand that finally knocked me out of contention was what I thought was a > bluff from a similarly stacked player, I read him as bluffing me a couple of > times previously and I had a semi-strong hand so I felt that I could call and lo > and behold I lose that hand and go on to bust out shortly after. > > The third time I became chip lead, I was so nervous about taking chip lead that > I almost didn't call 2 people that moved all-in even though I knew that I had > the absolute nuts(A high flush no pairs on the board), I was that nervous about > being chip lead again. Needless to say after I took chiplead I went on to lose > the tournament. > > This seems almost like an endless cycle that I can't break, just as some > background information, I play a lot of SnG's and currently I am placing in > about 50% of these, which is fairly solid I would suppose, but I NEVER take chip > lead at these tables, I do best as a middle stack being tight aggressive, > everytime I have had a big chip lead at a SnG I take second, usually because the > player will go all in 3 or 4 times in a row heads up and beat me each time on a > draw on the turn or river. > > Finally my question, I feel that I am a below average player when my stack gets > really low, an above average player from a medium stack, and a nervous average > player as chip lead, what advice would you give me? I seriously have no clue > what I can do I have tried playing similarly to what I do as a medium stack, > loosening up and tightening up. > > Any and all advice is very appreciated(sorry about the long winded post) > > Cheers! > > John | ||
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| Re: Multi-Table Tournaments, Jarvis, 14. Nov 2003 18:24 | ||
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| Try treating your multi-table tourneys like single table tourneys - just concentrate on being the best player at the table. If you get your chip stack up and want to cruise a bit, use that time to study how the others are playing. Maybe you'll be able to pick up the bluffs a bit better. As for new players, play strong with them, just as you do in getting the chip leads. Strong play negates a lot of bad luck. | ||
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