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 KQ vs BB, Allyc, 13. Nov 2003 00:02 | ||
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| I raise from MP with KQos, only the BB calls. Flop is K 10 7 rainbow. BB bets, I raise, he calls. Turn is another 7. BB bets. I folded at this point. Given how i played preflop/flop, he must at least put me on top pair/strong kicker. Since he bet the flop and only called the raise, A7 suited with maybe a 3flush seemed a likely holding. Was I right to fold on the turn? | ||
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| Re: KQ vs BB, Schuster, 13. Nov 2003 00:18 | ||
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| He could be leading with a wide variety of hands here. Since you open raised from MP, you could have a lot, and your raise on the flop could be AJ or AQ trying to get a free card, likewise with QJ. Maybe you have QQ or JJ and you're trying to see where you stand. In any case, there's a lot that the BB could be betting here, and I think you have too much hand to fold in a heads up scenario like this. He could have a weaker king, a draw that wanted to scare you off with the board pairing, or middle pair. Most players would go for a checkraise if they made trip 7's on 4th. Raising the turn is not a bad idea, and if he plays back at you for 3 bets, you can safely fold. If he just calls, you can make the decision to either check it down or bet the river. Lee | ||
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| Re: KQ vs BB, Allyc, 13. Nov 2003 02:39 | ||
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| Thanks for the feedback. I like the points you made, except for the idea of raising on the turn. I think my options were to fold or to call him down. Comparing calling to raising: It costs exactly 2 bets to raise, if reraised i fold without seeing the showdown. It costs at most 2 bets to call him down. Drawback - He may outdraw me if I am ahead on the turn. Benefit - I get to see the showdown for either 1 or 2 bets and I get the chance to outdraw him if he is ahead on the turn. Is this flawed thinking? | ||
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| Re: KQ vs BB, shorn, 13. Nov 2003 06:42 | ||
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| The flaw that I see is twofold. By not raising the turn, you never give your opponent the chance to fold a hand which he may outdraw you on. ALWAYS give your opponent that chance heads up with a semi strong hand. Secondly, just calling the turn gives you no information as to where you stand at all. If you just call, you will pay to see the showdown anyway, so why not throw in the two bets here? If he 3-nets, you probably need at least a Q to catch up and you may be drawing dead. I would rather give him the chance to fold on the turn or get out. You can't do either by just calling. | ||
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| Re: KQ vs BB, shorn, 13. Nov 2003 06:40 | ||
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| I agree with Lee. Folding here is too weak a play heads up. I can't see him leading with a 7 in his hand either simply because a checkraise would be logical to work since you have been showing aggression. I think you should raise the turn and fold if he 3-bets and if he just calls and checks the river get the free showdown (unless a K or Q hits). | ||
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