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 Tells and my strategy, LKP, 12. Nov 2003 20:02 | ||
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| I was browsing through Caro's book of tells. Man, that book is awesome. I think that book has helped my game more than any other poker book. The most helpful tell I've seen was when people glance at their chips momentarilly after the flop comes out. Another one of my friends would always look at MY chips momentarilly when he flopped a monster of a hand. I quadrupled up, just by throwing out a big preflop bet just about every time (seriously like 4 out of 5 times), narrowing out the field, and then studying my few opponents (or even my one opponent) when the flop came out. I probably tripled up just by picking up so many small pots. Then, since I was so maniacal (or seemed that way to those who didn't understand I was carefully reading my opponents), I would get SO much action. After taking down someone's stack with a nut-flush, and then taking someone else's stack with a set, people began to fear me. That's when I really really starting raking it in. I had one friend who started to try to be the sheriff to me, and he won a huge pot with an Ace high when I bluffed, but I got him back by taking huge chunks out of his stack later when I did catch some cards. Another really helpful and easy tell is when people look at their cards again when two or three of one suit turn up on the board. Think about it, if you had made your flush, you would know it and would not examine your cards again. A lot of times I may not have tried to represent the flush to them, but it did relieve me of suspecting them of the flush. Of course, an important part of tells is that your opponents don't know what you're looking for. You have to try not to keep your examinations obvious. Anyone else know any awesome tells? | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, Mark Gregorich, 12. Nov 2003 22:00 | ||
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| One tell which is rampant even in higher limit games is that players begin to fold their hands before the action gets to them. If you look to your left before you act, you can often determine who is in and who is out - use this to your advantage when contemplating a weakish raise from a medium to late position. Be careful on the flush example you used, though. Just because a player looks back at his hand when a flush is possible doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Some players like to act in this spot; just figure out what type you are up against. Mark | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, Aisthesis, 12. Nov 2003 22:10 | ||
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| You probably already know this one since it's Caro's, but I really liked it: On an all in, when chips are fumbled (this is one of his lectures on cardplayer.com), if the player makes an effort to immediately pick up the fumbled chips, then it's probably a bluff, but if the player is more relaxed about the fumble, you're probably looking at a very good hand. | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, mkpoker, 12. Nov 2003 22:50 | ||
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| The flip side of the "fold out of turn" tell is the "bet out of turn" tell--that is, when players put their chips in (or prepare to put their chips in) before the action is to them. On my recent trip to Vegas, for example, I found myself in last position, holding essentially notthing, against 2 opponents. All check to me; I went to my stack to make a bluff. Before I picked up chips or made any forward motion, the EP player had pushed his chips in, "calling" my bet before I had made it. Needless to say, I checked. No point in bluffing at that pot! | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, Palinya, 13. Nov 2003 00:27 | ||
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| Also I found that if you did bluff, it sometimes helps to have your cards tucked away under a chip and have chips in your hand ready to do another bet. People will often see this and take the bluff more seriously. | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, Palinya, 13. Nov 2003 00:30 | ||
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| This works best in low limit, I would imagine in higher limits people wouldn't fall for this as much. But in low limit where that is constant tell people give off, it doesn't hurt to give it to them | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, jackeboy, 13. Nov 2003 02:54 | ||
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| Another tip from the Caro lectures which I have found really useful is the one about breathing. It works really well for me in my home game. Heavy or erratic breathing/suddenly shaky hands/confident puffing on or wiggling of a cigarette or blowing smoke flamboyantly often mean a very strong hand. Not breathing/freezing/not exhaling can mean a bluff. I won my last mini-tournament with this - It was heads up with a scary board. I had two pair but there was a flush draw and a one-hole straight on the board. The other guy pushed all-in. I took a while to decide, lit a cigarette to help me think, offered him one, waited until he lit it and took forever to exhale, called and beat his pair of J's. Thanks Mike. Jack | ||
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| Re: Tells and my strategy, AS, 13. Nov 2003 02:43 | ||
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| "On my recent trip to Vegas, for example, I found myself in last position, holding essentially notthing, against 2 opponents. All check to me; I went to my stack to make a bluff. Before I picked up chips or made any forward motion, the EP player had pushed his chips in, "calling" my bet before I had made it. Needless to say, I checked. No point in bluffing at that pot!" I just found myself in almost the exact same situation the other day. Heads up on the river the guy checked to me and since I had been the agressor the whole way I decided to take one last stab at the pot with my totally missed AK. As I reached towards the pot with my chips I saw the other player reach DEEP into his stack. Uh-oh. I "thought" about it for a bit and then checked. Dude had made a set on the river! I was happy to save myself a bit of pain there. | ||
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