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 A loser I may be, stein, 12. Nov 2003 18:51 | ||
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| I'm on a bad streak; and its a long bad streak. You all know the drill. Sessions go one of either two ways. Either I get a series of rags after rags and flop misses after misses and get anted into extinction, or, conversely, hands come thick and fast yet get continually cracked by garbage or inside/backdoor draws. Nothing goes right. I'm not moaning, I'm just concerned by my state of mind. You see, I know I'm a good player. I just enter a pot these days *knowing* my premium hand is going to get cracked, *knowing* my flush draws going to miss, *knowing* someone else will make theirs and, most worryingly, *knowing* my calculated bluff will be caught. I'm playing scared; fear bigger full houses, bigger flushes.....bigger quads. Do I tilt? Yes, probably; but it is certainly not drastic or even frequent. I consider myself to have developed a pretty even temperament, I can take bad beats. My only apparent 'tilt' occurs when, for example, I've bought in for $100, turn it into $4 and throw the (little) remaining away. What should be done? How can I think like a winner again? I'm sure this confidence is vital - I just can't find it. I'm asking you other professionals to divulge some of their worst losing runs. How long can they last? Knowing others have experienced this pain would be helpful somehow. Stein | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, Poker God, 12. Nov 2003 20:01 | ||
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| What your going through is nothing that shouldn't and will not happen. Losing streaks can go on for awhile but they will end. Im posting this right now also for myself too as I have been going through a losing streak for about 2 months, the worst ive ever experienced. Ive been evaluating and reevaluating my play and it just comes down to the fact that I have been getting very unlucky. Thus it is poker and it will happen. As long as you play your best, and that your best play is profitable, you will take down the money over the longer course of time. | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, Roy Cooke, 12. Nov 2003 22:11 | ||
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| Hi Stein Read Mark Gregorich's Thread entitled Running Bad in the Strategy and psychology section from November 4th.....It is a VERY good post on the subject! Roy Cooke on 12. Nov 2003 18:51 stein wrote: > I'm on a bad streak; and its a long bad streak. > > You all know the drill. Sessions go one of either two ways. Either I get a > series of rags after rags and flop misses after misses and get anted into > extinction, or, conversely, hands come thick and fast yet get continually > cracked by garbage or inside/backdoor draws. Nothing goes right. > > I'm not moaning, I'm just concerned by my state of mind. You see, I know I'm a > good player. I just enter a pot these days *knowing* my premium hand is going to > get cracked, *knowing* my flush draws going to miss, *knowing* someone else will > make theirs and, most worryingly, *knowing* my calculated bluff will be caught. > I'm playing scared; fear bigger full houses, bigger flushes.....bigger quads. > > Do I tilt? Yes, probably; but it is certainly not drastic or even frequent. I > consider myself to have developed a pretty even temperament, I can take bad > beats. My only apparent 'tilt' occurs when, for example, I've bought in for > $100, turn it into $4 and throw the (little) remaining away. > > What should be done? How can I think like a winner again? I'm sure this > confidence is vital - I just can't find it. > I'm asking you other professionals to divulge some of their worst losing runs. > How long can they last? > > Knowing others have experienced this pain would be helpful somehow. > > Stein | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, Barry T, 12. Nov 2003 23:54 | ||
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| Hi. Losiong straks are tough. I had my worst one earlier this year, and I am still climbing out of the hole. Here are some things that help: 1 - If you have been a winning player for a long time with excellent records, you can remind oyurself of that. 2 - You can certainly play lower/tighter until you regain confidence. 3 - Although it is theoretically silly, some folks gain a lot of extra confidence by "forcing a win.' Sit sdown in a game and play ultra tight. If you are ever up, quit and record a win, however small. For some, this helps break the cycle of losing. 4 - It is always a good idea to review your game and reread your favorite books. No one plays perfectly, so yu may pick up a tip or two that you forgot that will help you make a change in your game. Barryt (I could not find Mark's thread, I would have loved to read it). | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, Palinya, 13. Nov 2003 00:17 | ||
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| I have no idea but if you are getting drawn out with crap all the time you might not be playing aggressive enough pre flop and after the flop. A raise in early position can force a lot of crap hands to fold. Crappy players will put one bet in with a lame hand but they are a lot less likely to put 2 in. Against 9 other people, some of these bad hands are bound to hit the flop and since they shouldn't have been playing that hand anyway, it is very difficult to put them on what they are actually holding, especially if they slow play it at all. Example... You hold AQ and the flop comes up Q 7 4. You bet and are called to the river and the person shows you 2 pairs 7 and 4... that hand probably would have folded to a pre-flop raise. Similarily don't give draws free cards after the flop. Play aggressive. You said you felt that you were running scared. This is often a hint that you may be playing too passive trying to protect your cash but instead you just allow crap to draw out on you. I know this was some I just recently got over after analyzing why it seemed I was losing a lot to people drawing out on me. I don't slow-play AA, KK, QQ either in a loose game. Even with a pre-flop raise you are going to get a couple people in to see the flop and possibly turn card. You really don't want more people than that in the hand. Don't try and slow-play and suck the whole table into putting money into the pot. Chances are someone with draw out against you. I'd rather have a much more sure and consistant small pot than try to take down a big pot against 5 people looking for their draws. But you might already know all this. I don't know what your experience level is. If you are an experienced player already then it could just be a bad run of cards. If this is the case, read all the other posts :) | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, holleywood, 13. Nov 2003 00:43 | ||
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| hello stein.....first off i would like to say is keep ur head up i know what u are going through. It seemed liked everytime i had cards i was playing scared. cause a 2 week string of bad cards and bad beats came my way. then i started to play even worse cause i just knew i was going to lose. playing negitave and keep asking myself why was this happening it was killing my game and bankroll. I then made the best poker move i could. I just took some time off. I took about 2 weeks off from playing poker. It was hard cause i do enjoy it so much. I came back refreshed and my mind was clear of everything that happened in the past. I was having fun and making good reads my cards were holding up and i was winning and more importantly i was not playing scared. im not sure how much u play and/or if u play for living where u have to play to be comfortable but i play part time about 20-25 a week and taking some time away was very good and am back in the right mindset. i hope my advice could help u holleywood | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, noiseboy, 13. Nov 2003 09:04 | ||
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| One thing that helps me get out of losing streaks is to pretend I am playing the first few rounds of a tournament. Super tight, super aggressive. Pick up a copy of "Championship Hold'em" by Cloutier & McEvoy if you aren't normally a tournament player. Anyway, in tournaments you are dealing with a limited bankroll, so you avoid certain marginal situations. I probably sacrifice a bit of EV on close decisions, but the benefit is that it reduces your variance and makes it harder for you to lose. It also keeps me from trying to bluff and semi-bluff too much. The problem is that a lot of your fancy plays don't work well when you are losing. People see that you aren't catching and they call you, thus even when you DO have a good hand, people are inclined to chase you down. Playing only premium hands outside the blinds will help reclaim your winning table image. Don't worry if people start to think you are a rock, because this will reduce your bad beats and when people start to have a very solid image of you, you can put all the theivery back in your arsenal. Hope this helps. Just keep in mind that in addition to losing streaks that can last for several weeks at a time, there will also be insane winning streaks when it seems like you can't lose to balance it out. We all get the same cards in the end. | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, LJH, 13. Nov 2003 14:55 | ||
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| stein, read vorhaus, killere poker. it will get your mind in order. ljh | ||
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| Re: A loser I may be, Candide, 14. Nov 2003 09:21 | ||
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| LJH, would you say his killer poker and the newer killer poker online book? Not sure if you have read both, just curious if just reading the newer book would have one missing out from information in the first one. | ||
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