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 Something to keep in mind, Boftx, 12. Nov 2003 16:22 | ||
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| Many times what appears to be a bad beat isn't. I took down a huge pot the the other day with a smaill straight from the SB simply because there were so many limpers that I would have been stupid to NOT play my 64s and see the flop, which gave me an open-end draw. Even after a raise on the flop by the button I had more than enough odds to see the turn and river to catch the straight. I got chewed out to say the least for that, but if the odds are there it's not a bad beat in my book. | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, ReMMy, 12. Nov 2003 19:08 | ||
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| I've never posted a single "bad beat" story. I almost did once before remembering that in reality there is no such thing. There are 52 cards in a deck, those 52 cards are the same EVERY single time. If you hold a pocket pair, there are exactly 2 cards in the remaining 50 that can make you a set. If you flop an open ended straight there are 8 cards that can make your hand. Got a flush draw?you've got 9 outs... Here's the beauty of it, every single time someone calls your bet or raise, they are getting certain odds as an underdog, they are "paying" to see that next card. If the odds are in your favor, its a bad play in the long run. FORTUNATELY NOT UNFORTUNATELY, bad plays can pay off in the SHORT run. Let's think about this. If you won EVERY hand that you were a statistical favorite in, then all the fish would buy in once or twice and then stop playing. Eventually you would be the worst player, playing against people who always ended up a statistical favorite in most situations, and you would lose all your money. Poker would cease to exist. I have played at UltimateBet, TruePoker, Pokerstars, Paradise Poker, and PartyPoker among others. And I've seen every single bad beat story on every site. I've seen aces dealt in 2 or 3 consecutive hands on all of these sites. I've played hundreds of thousands of hands at a variety of levels and game types, and guess what, I have not lost money at any of the sites. I'm not saying I'm some sort of super poker player or that I've won tons of money on all these sites, but I do stick to a solid strategy and refuse to "tilt". If I had a dollar for every time I've been drawn out by someone who had NO business being in the hand, let alone calling bets to the river, I'd have more money than I've won in my 5 years of playing poker... So here are my 2 points: ONLINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED THERE ARE NO BAD BEATS, ONLY BAD PLAYS AND PLAYERS!!! | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, Dr_Monkey, 18. Nov 2003 08:28 | ||
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| on 12. Nov 2003 19:08 ReMMy wrote: > So here are my 2 points: > ONLINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED > THERE ARE NO BAD BEATS, ONLY BAD PLAYS AND PLAYERS!!! I understand what you are trying to say but I can't agree there aren't bad beats. Calling it bad beat or bad play is the same thing. What do you call it when a "BAD Play or Bad Player" Beats you when you played correctly? You flop a set and go all in only to see the bad player make a bad play by calling and getting less than 2 to 1 odds only to hit his flush on the river. That's a bad beat no matter what you want to call it. Bad beats are needed to keep the fish playing but they still hurt. I've posted a couple bad beat stories, not for sympathy but for closure. Just being able to get the bad beat out of my system by writting or telling someone about it is theraputic. Helps me remember that my play was statistically correct and in the long run I will get paid for making the same play. Instead of getting gun shy and not betting enough next time and giving the guy the correct odds to call me. | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, NewSchool, 24. Nov 2003 13:47 | ||
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| Interesting outlook i suppose. The best thing about cards is that they are random. Anything can come out of the deck, you just have to play what comes out to your advantage. If someone gets lucky and rivers you, dont look at it like the "last card", it was just one of the 5 cards coming out and just so happens it came out last. That river card couldve been on the flop, or turn, and drastically affected the play otherwise. I find the best thing to do is look at possible hands that could be yours, think about the odds of someone getting/playing that hand, and then make your decision. Thats just my $.02 | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, SpaceAce, 19. Nov 2003 02:33 | ||
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| on 12. Nov 2003 16:22 Boftx wrote: > Many times what appears to be a bad beat isn't. I took down a huge pot the the > other day with a smaill straight from the SB simply because there were so many > limpers that I would have been stupid to NOT play my 64s and see the flop, which > gave me an open-end draw. Even after a raise on the flop by the button I had > more than enough odds to see the turn and river to catch the straight. I got > chewed out to say the least for that, but if the odds are there it's not a bad > beat in my book. > I don't agree. That could still be a bad beat for someone else. Just because you had the odds doesn't make it less of a bad beat for the other guy. For instance, if someone flopped trips and played it correctly all the way to the river where you make your straight, that's a (minor) bad beat because he was ahead all along and did the right thing. You may have odds to draw at something at 3:1 but the odds of getting there on that particular hand are still against you. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, Boftx, 19. Nov 2003 09:45 | ||
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| Part of this is how I keep my sanity when I get drawn out on. :-) If someone chases to the river and catches, but he had the correct odds for doing so, then I don't feel so bad about it. Also, if I didn't play hands that had correct odds I would be giving up a lot of money that would otherwise be in my pocket Now, if someone opens UTG with 72o and stays in heads-up just check calling and catches I am damn glad no one can see me behind the computer screen.. on 19. Nov 2003 02:33 SpaceAce wrote: > I don't agree. That could still be a bad beat for someone else. Just because you had > the odds doesn't make it less of a bad beat for the other guy. For instance, if > someone flopped trips and played it correctly all the way to the river where you make > your straight, that's a (minor) bad beat because he was ahead all along and did the > right thing. You may have odds to draw at something at 3:1 but the odds of getting > there on that particular hand are still against you. > > SpaceAce > | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, SpaceAce, 19. Nov 2003 11:32 | ||
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| I also feel a little better when someone who draws out on me was at least playing with the correct odds. It's less annoying than taking a beating from some buffoon who's in the pot with 48o and catches 44 on the turn and river. SpaceAce | ||
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| Re: Something to keep in mind, Boftx, 19. Nov 2003 15:14 | ||
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| Of course you have never done that, I know that I have *never* done anything like that. ;-) Jim | ||
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