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My thinking -- Anyone is free to reply., hokie95, 12. Nov 2003 05:43
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I very recently have decided to put super-micro limit poker behind me and move up to 2-4. I know the games are not much different, but the amount of money had lost meaning to me and I was (1) not having fun and (2) didn't care if I lost. This was a bad combination. I have generated a list of rules and guidelines* for myself, and I was curious what others thought about them as a strategy for long term success:

The Rules:

(1) Buy-in with $100. (Somewhat arbitrary, but I don't like having a really large stack at the table and this seems to be about average for the game. The "blend-in" factor.)
(2) Loss limit of $75. (If I am playing properly and losing 18 BB, it's not my night. If I am not playing properly, this limits my loss.)
(3) If I am up, remember that that is my money, so adjust loss limit from peak of winnings. (I find this helps me internalize the idea that money won is not "house money.")
(4) No "win limit." If I feel good, keep playing.
(5) Never play when I don't have at least 45 minutes to play. (Avoids feeling like I "have to make something happen.")

The Principles:

(1) Tight aggressive. Only call for a very good reason. (I.e., proper draw, slow play.)
(2) If I feel like I am "protecting a lead," leave if I can't adjust and play tight aggressive.
(3) Avoid the hypnotized hand play. (This was in Positively Fifth Street. It's when your chips are being magically thrown in the pot without thinking of why you are putting them in the pot. This usually means I am on mini tilt or have stopped caring. SOMETIMES, it means that I am playing really really well and am acting on instinct. Must be able to distinguish the two.)
(4) If I feel like gambling, I go goof around on the double flop play chip game or the 1000-2000 Omaha8 game. Again, this is a feel thing.

So, those are my guideposts. So far, I am up a ridiculous amount, but I attribute that to short-term variation. What else should I be thinking about/doing? Anyone else have a similar system?

Thanks for reading, and I appreciate all replies. Even LJH's ALL SYSTEMS ARE STUPID YUO SHOUDL READ A BOOK AND THEN PLAY WIOTH A BIG BANKROLL reply.

-Dave

* I distinguish between rule based and principle based systems. Rules are black and white, no discretion. Principles are guiding ethos which require application in the face of circumstances.
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Re: My thinking -- Anyone is free to reply., Jordan, 12. Nov 2003 13:37
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I think it's funny you posted all your thoughts on this. Seems like something I'd do. I think you've definitely got some good rules, it just takes the discipline to follow them.
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Re: My thinking -- Anyone is free to reply., KJo, 12. Nov 2003 13:45
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I would say that all systems are stupid yuo shoudl read a book and then play wioth a big bankroll, but I'm probably not saying it loud enough.

Eli

on 12. Nov 2003 05:43 hokie95 wrote:
> I very recently have decided to put super-micro limit poker behind me and move
> up to 2-4. I know the games are not much different, but the amount of money had
> lost meaning to me and I was (1) not having fun and (2) didn't care if I lost.
> This was a bad combination. I have generated a list of rules and guidelines*
> for myself, and I was curious what others thought about them as a strategy for
> long term success:
>
> The Rules:
>
> (1) Buy-in with $100. (Somewhat arbitrary, but I don't like having a really
> large stack at the table and this seems to be about average for the game. The
> "blend-in" factor.)
> (2) Loss limit of $75. (If I am playing properly and losing 18 BB, it's not
> my night. If I am not playing properly, this limits my loss.)
> (3) If I am up, remember that that is my money, so adjust loss limit from peak
> of winnings. (I find this helps me internalize the idea that money won is not
> "house money.")
> (4) No "win limit." If I feel good, keep playing.
> (5) Never play when I don't have at least 45 minutes to play. (Avoids feeling
> like I "have to make something happen.")
>
> The Principles:
>
> (1) Tight aggressive. Only call for a very good reason. (I.e., proper draw,
> slow play.)
> (2) If I feel like I am "protecting a lead," leave if I can't adjust and play
> tight aggressive.
> (3) Avoid the hypnotized hand play. (This was in Positively Fifth Street.
> It's when your chips are being magically thrown in the pot without thinking of
> why you are putting them in the pot. This usually means I am on mini tilt or
> have stopped caring. SOMETIMES, it means that I am playing really really well
> and am acting on instinct. Must be able to distinguish the two.)
> (4) If I feel like gambling, I go goof around on the double flop play chip
> game or the 1000-2000 Omaha8 game. Again, this is a feel thing.
>
> So, those are my guideposts. So far, I am up a ridiculous amount, but I
> attribute that to short-term variation. What else should I be thinking
> about/doing? Anyone else have a similar system?
>
> Thanks for reading, and I appreciate all replies. Even LJH's ALL SYSTEMS ARE
> STUPID YUO SHOUDL READ A BOOK AND THEN PLAY WIOTH A BIG BANKROLL reply.
>
> -Dave
>
> * I distinguish between rule based and principle based systems. Rules are
> black and white, no discretion. Principles are guiding ethos which require
> application in the face of circumstances.
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Re: My thinking -- Anyone is free to reply., Mark Barnett II, 13. Nov 2003 11:37
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all systems that work are good, i think everyone has THEIR own system to some degree, the objective is always be willing to readjust and outright change things as needed.

one suggestion if any of your rules for some strange reason gets you into trouble, get up from the table and rethink the rule, it could be bad luck that occured but also could be rule needs changing.

Rule #1 of Poker
Circumstances alter cases
Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1
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Re: My thinking -- Anyone is free to reply., LJH, 13. Nov 2003 11:59
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dear hokie95, thank you for remembering me. i always like to get your attention. you still seem hung up on your rules, and playing for short term. you need to get a perspective on yourself. it is time to read killer poker by vorhaus. best regards ljh
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