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 This one haunts me, jackeboy, 12. Nov 2003 03:31 | ||
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| Last Friday - $5+1 Multi-Table NLHE tournament on Ladbrokes. 196 players started with T1,500. After a long run (2 months) of terrible cards and river beats I was finally catching a few breaks - On the first hand I almost called an all-in with AJ on a AJ6 rainbow flop but I thought it smelled funny and decided not to risk everything that early. The all-in bet showed me his trip 6's. I knew I had dodged a bullet and as things went on I was starting to feel that my timing was as good as it had ever been. I was lucky - getting good hands in good position - and my confidence (and chip stack) was high enough to push people around. It helped that the few times I was called I had the goods. I built my stack slowly and put at least six other players all-in when I had the best of it - my hands held up each time. So, I make the final table (for the second time ever) and I'm in OK shape (T25,000). The tournie pays to 20th place but is very top-heavy as usual. I trip up my pocket nines on an A-high flop and the chip-leader puts me all-in. I call happily and double-up. Now, I'm chip leader by a small margin. I stay out of the action for a while and lose the chip-lead when two big-stacks go head to head. Mr-Plow makes a few big raises and we're down to six players. Sorry for the detail but I was buzzing for hours after. So here's the play that haunts me. I'm in the BB with T54,000. Mr-Plow is in MP with T78,000. There are two short-stacks (about T12,000) in EP, Button has T32,000 and SB has T28,000. The blinds are 2000/4000. Mr-Plow has been doing a lot of blind stealing over the last dozen or so hands but I have had a couple of strong hands and re-raised him out of the pot. I am thinking about how to protect my blinds and maybe steal a couple if the cards are medium-strong when I look down and see a red KK, a great hand this late on and I think about whether I want to win it here or get someone all-in with a big raise or try to tempt someone in with something smaller. While I'm mulling this over the EP's fold and Mr-Plow bets T24,000. What? Folded to me. He's trying to steal of course but this is twice the biggest bet he's made so far. I've seen him called twice on a similar move and he had A7 and A4s. So what do I do? He has me covered so I won't survive an all-in. I am currently second-chip-lead with six players. If I let this go the chances are that at least one or two players will bust out in the next couple of rounds, moving me up the money (which my bankroll needs after a bad run). I know that I play better with fewer players and I think I have a good shot at winning if I can hold on to my chips until we're short-handed. The odds are against him having AA. A smaller pair would be OK but the memory of those Ax hands worries me. I raise all-in. If I'm honest, I raised all-in for three reasons - (1)I am sure that I have the best hand (I'm also sure that he has an A) and if I double through this guy I can coast home. (2) I think that if I call and an A hits on the flop he might force me to fold the better hand (if he has JJ or QQ). (3) There is a slim chance I could fold him off it. Anyway - he takes a while but he calls with AQs and you can guess the rest. I busted out 6th and $50 richer. My best finish so far but I think I could have gone all the way if I'd played this hand differently. I'd be grateful for opinions - would anybody lay this down? Would you call and fold to the bet on the flop or try to bluff it? Was all-in a stupid move? | ||
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| Re: This one haunts me, Eman, 12. Nov 2003 06:10 | ||
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| I think you made the right call. You had the better preflop hand, you just got outdrawn. He only had three cards in the deck that would help him. If you win that hand and double up, you are in great shape to win the whole thing. I think its a no brainer, you had to go allin. One question? Did the ace come up on the flop, turn, or river? In similar situation I like to just call against a chip leader. The chip leader will tend to call your allin, holding any Ace. But if you call and the ace doesnt come out on the flop, Going all in after the flop may make him fold. Now he only has two shots at hitting his Ace instead of 5 shots preflop. Just a thought. | ||
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| Re: This one haunts me, jackeboy, 12. Nov 2003 07:06 | ||
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| There was an A on the flop. I'm beginning to think I should have called. There was already plenty of money in the middle - all the all-in does is take away my chances to get away from the hand or win it with a bluff. He might have figured me for AK or AA if I went all-in. Plus, I had position on him so I would have had a better idea of what he had from his bet (although I'm pretty sure it would have put me all in) Jack | ||
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| Re: This one haunts me, tron, 12. Nov 2003 16:38 | ||
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| The right move. rember gus and juanda gus all in KK and juanda AJ, gus wins tournament | ||
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| Re: This one haunts me, epper, 13. Nov 2003 11:57 | ||
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| Tough beat. This guy has been stealing like crazy and you have the second biggest hand. You are not laying down the KK so your choices are raise and put him to the test OR call and see what the flop hits. Call is an interesting option, but I would most likely go all-in. You have the better starting hand and he needs a lot of help to beat you. You got outdrawn, but you played it very aggressively, which you need to do to win. If you just call and lose the hand, you are down to 30K and a middle stack. I tend to like the play. | ||
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| Re: This one haunts me, Mark Barnett II, 14. Nov 2003 10:28 | ||
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| looking at from different angle. one you said your bankroll could use a nice boost *im assuming $50 didnt do much in this regards* two looking at the blinds and the low stacks you said 2 stacks only had about 4 BBs left three you said you thought you play better shorthanded your in second chip position the only person you have to worry about getting mixed up with is the person who made a bet, you are in no danger of being blinded out anytime soon. if the difference between 6th and 4th or 3rd is a major gift to my bankroll i would give serious thought to folding. unfortunately this is one of those times where outside factors may weigh more than the individual hand *why people say avoid coin flips even if your the favorite* during the hand its also very hard to look at everything that that hand can affect so folding just may have never been a real thought but next time because of this happening it may be given just a bit more weight. *im not suggesting i would have folded myself but just saying you posted lots of reason why folding might be acceptable here* Rule #1 of Poker Circumstances alter cases Rule #2 NEVER forget rule #1 | ||
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