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 Questions about my first "real" tournament (long), spanishNun, 12. Nov 2003 01:42 | ||
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| My first post here, so here goes. I just recently started playing (6 months ago) and a couple of days ago played in a small house nl tournament (16 players, 40 dollar buy in, top 3 payed). The blind structures were a little fast (increasing every 20 or 30 minutes i think). I came in with the strategy of deciding to play tight so that's what I did. I only knew one of the 16 players and the rest seemed to be decent, but not great. So I'd like analysis of basically the two hands where I lost almost all of my chips. We all started off with 1000 in chips, blinds started at 10-20 First hand - after playing for about 45 minutes, getting horrible cards (not even any marginal hands), and not seeing a flop outside of the blinds, I get AJh in mid position while blinds are 25-50. I make it 150 to go and get one caller (with a smaller stack than mine). Flop comes 2-5-8 rainbow. With the player behind me, I decide to check, hoping for another card. If he bets medium/small, I have decided on a check raise. He bets 100, I quickly raise to 300, deciding he paired on the board or has overcards. Neither of these I felt could stand a raise (I wanted to represent an over pair or hitting a set). He thinks about it for a while, then calls. Turn comes another 5. I fired out another 200. He goes all in (an extra 100). At this point, I knew I was beat, having nothing more than two overcards and no flush draw. I called his last 100 anyway and he turns over A5. Obviously I lose the hand. Second hand - about another 45 minutes later, I still haven't seen any hands and blinds are 100-200. I have 450 in chips and am utg. I get dealt KQo and almost throw it away (the whole table notices this) I settle on a call and am raised 200 by someone in mid position. I throw in my last 50. He shows TT. Flop gives me a K, and him a T for his set. I bust out. Questions about the first hand - was the check raise after the flop a good play? I seemed to read his hand correctly. Any suggestions? I know my play after the second 5 hit was not exactly stellar. How would others have played it? Check/Fold and save myself that last 300? Questions about the second hand - I'm thinking the play here was to move all in. After the blinds hit me one more time I'm left with 150, not much of a chance after that. I just didn't like the KQ as an all in. An Ace with anything down to a ten I probably move all in. In retrospect, I think just calling in that situation is a bad play, as someone is most likely going to put me all in. At least by going all in I have some shot at taking it down right there. Any tips at all are welcomed. As I said, I am fairly new. I've been playing on PP for about 2 1/2 months and have made around 1K, but I seemed to have hit a wall in the last week. | ||
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| Re: Questions about my first "real" tournament (long), ReMMy, 12. Nov 2003 08:24 | ||
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| You were pot commited w/ your raise on KQo, I think you should have gone all in and hope to either pick up the blinds or double up. You would have gotten called anyways most likely, but it is still the better play... If you were close to the payout bubble, it may have been worthwhile to fold that hand, especially if there wasn't much blind stealing going on... Make note of the fact that the player from the first scenario doesn't like to fold if he catches any part of the flop, and exploit that next time around, I love finding those players(even though it costs me the first time) Good luck! | ||
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| Re: Questions about my first "real" tournament (long), KJo, 12. Nov 2003 16:55 | ||
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| First hand- I wouldn't make that check-raise, instead fire out a bet first and let him decide what to do then. Reason being is that you're committing less when you have no hand, and he is less pot-committed since he hasn't bet anything yet. Check-raise is better for when you want a high-priced call or a free card rather than a fold. Obviously you would fold if he raises you on the flop, and even if he calls and you don't pick up anything on the turn, you have to shut down if you don't pick something up. Second hand- A no brainer. Go all in with the KQo. You're desperately short-stacked, UTG, and KQ ain't such a bad hand. When you're down to 3 or 4 BB's (or less, such as your situation) every bet you make should be all-in, either double up or get up. Eli on 12. Nov 2003 01:42 spanishNun wrote: > My first post here, so here goes. I just recently started playing (6 months > ago) and a couple of days ago played in a small house nl tournament (16 players, > 40 dollar buy in, top 3 payed). The blind structures were a little fast > (increasing every 20 or 30 minutes i think). I came in with the strategy of > deciding to play tight so that's what I did. I only knew one of the 16 players > and the rest seemed to be decent, but not great. So I'd like analysis of > basically the two hands where I lost almost all of my chips. We all started off > with 1000 in chips, blinds started at 10-20 > > First hand - after playing for about 45 minutes, getting horrible cards (not > even any marginal hands), and not seeing a flop outside of the blinds, I get AJh > in mid position while blinds are 25-50. I make it 150 to go and get one caller > (with a smaller stack than mine). Flop comes 2-5-8 rainbow. With the player > behind me, I decide to check, hoping for another card. If he bets medium/small, > I have decided on a check raise. He bets 100, I quickly raise to 300, deciding > he paired on the board or has overcards. Neither of these I felt could stand a > raise (I wanted to represent an over pair or hitting a set). He thinks about it > for a while, then calls. Turn comes another 5. I fired out another 200. He > goes all in (an extra 100). At this point, I knew I was beat, having nothing > more than two overcards and no flush draw. I called his last 100 anyway and he > turns over A5. Obviously I lose the hand. > > Second hand - about another 45 minutes later, I still haven't seen any hands > and blinds are 100-200. I have 450 in chips and am utg. I get dealt KQo and > almost throw it away (the whole table notices this) I settle on a call and am > raised 200 by someone in mid position. I throw in my last 50. He shows TT. > Flop gives me a K, and him a T for his set. I bust out. > > Questions about the first hand - was the check raise after the flop a good > play? I seemed to read his hand correctly. Any suggestions? I know my play > after the second 5 hit was not exactly stellar. How would others have played > it? Check/Fold and save myself that last 300? > > Questions about the second hand - I'm thinking the play here was to move all > in. After the blinds hit me one more time I'm left with 150, not much of a > chance after that. I just didn't like the KQ as an all in. An Ace with > anything down to a ten I probably move all in. In retrospect, I think just > calling in that situation is a bad play, as someone is most likely going to put > me all in. At least by going all in I have some shot at taking it down right > there. > > Any tips at all are welcomed. As I said, I am fairly new. I've been playing > on PP for about 2 1/2 months and have made around 1K, but I seemed to have hit a > wall in the last week. | ||
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