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 What i have learned about NL poker, chasepoker, 11. Nov 2003 18:00 | ||
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| I have been playing NL tournament poker pretty much exclusively for the past year and these are some top tips that i have learned - enjoy ! ALL THESE ARE BASED ON TYPICAL PLAYERS THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO THE PLAYER YOU ARE UP AGAINST BUT.... 1) Dont call raise, if you dont raise then fold 2) Dont call all in with AK and never call in with AQ 3) If you have to play those suited connectors raise with them if you are the first one in 4) If you can see a flop cheaply play that small pair 5) RESPECT POSITION 6) Always make your decisions based on stack sizes ( yours and theirs ) 7) Top pair top kicker is often not good enough to go all in with 8) Be passive early and then become more aggressive, slowing down occasionally. 9) Re Read number 5) 10) Call with the 97o if the you are heads up with some all in and you have a reasonable stack and are getting 3-1 odds 11) Dont give away your last chips - chip and a chair ! HOWEVER.... 12) Try not to let yourself get in a situation were you only have enough chips left to go all in and get a compulsory call, risk it earlier when you might get the blinds to fold. 13) Try to win pots without showdowns ( preferabley pre flop ) if you are looking at the river and you aint got the nuts you might lose ! 14) Dont play for a payout play to win ( If you win a 20% payout once in ten that is better than winning a 2% payout every other game ) 15) When the blinds are worth stealing, steal them. 16) When the blinds are not worth stealing dont bother 17) ATo is not a hand in the first five spots 18) Nor is KQo.... 19) Dont be afraid to be busted out ! 20) Avoid coin flip situations if it is worth more than half your stack 21) Dont play against people from Linkoping Er thats it really... CP | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, Dr_Monkey, 12. Nov 2003 08:49 | ||
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| That is an excellent list with excellent advice. I am going to print that out and read it before I play any tournament and refer to it when I get tempted to act stupid. | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, Grateful Rooster, 12. Nov 2003 11:42 | ||
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| Chase, This is an excellent list and I respect your experience and past advice, but I would argue that ANY list would be wrong to follow strictly. I think you focus on discipline and this is important (I could use more of it myself), but you leave out what I think to be just as important to winning poker -- adaptability. The best strategy is one that can adapt to a particular table environment. If you follow your rules strictly against a skilled opponent, he will, after a few hands, be able to read you and consistantly take your chips. I don't like rules, but I do like guidelines and the ones you present are great. Most of the best pros, I believe, are successful because they know when to stray from the guidelines. BTW, can you explain the last guideline on your list -- the one about players from Lingoping or wherever? Just a good player you ran into or is that code for something? -GR | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, magnus, 12. Nov 2003 11:59 | ||
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| I was thinking about the last item too (and I think I know why it's there, but I let chase answer it). I guess I could strike fear into my opponents by changing my handle to Erik something, then I can chat with a lot of å, ä and ö (I can "talk the talk" but I'm far from "walk the walk") and everybody will just give me their money and leave! ;-) -Magnus | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, chasepoker, 12. Nov 2003 16:51 | ||
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| Have you ever played many poker tournaments on poker stars ? If you have you will see that loads of people come from Linkoping and they always seem to be quite good :-) on 12. Nov 2003 11:59 magnus wrote: > I was thinking about the last item too (and I think I know why it's there, but I let chase > answer it). > > I guess I could strike fear into my opponents by changing my handle to Erik something, > then I can chat with a lot of å, ä and ö (I can "talk the talk" but I'm far from "walk the > walk") and everybody will just give me their money and leave! ;-) > > -Magnus Chasepoker | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, magnus, 12. Nov 2003 17:58 | ||
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| on 12. Nov 2003 16:51 chasepoker wrote: > Have you ever played many poker tournaments on poker stars ? If you have you will see that > loads of people come from Linkoping and they always seem to be quite good :-) With Linköping not being a very big city and probably don't have a big percentage of poker players, many of the locals must have gone to "the Erik school of poker" in one way or another... Maybe that's the reason they are better than average? (All the bad ones have gone broke... :-) -Magnus | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, chasepoker, 12. Nov 2003 16:50 | ||
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| Yeah i know what you are saying and it is 100% true i tried to phrase "ALL THESE ARE BASED ON TYPICAL PLAYERS THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO THE PLAYER YOU ARE UP AGAINST BUT...." differntly but couldnt ! these are just basic tips that i see players ignoring all the time ! I would actually say that playing your own style is most important and also, as you say, the ability to adapt to your opponents is very important. I have found my own style of play and it has been succesful for me but obviously you have to work out what style you are comfortable with ! The 2 things i found help my tournament play were to write down what happened in key situations in tournaments for me, not just were i got knocked out, but situations that changed my tournaments. The second thing i did was work out ( on www.twodimes.net ) the value of every type of pre flop all in situation that can occur ( there are not that many ) if you have never done it you will be surprised at how much certain hands are not that much of a favourite pre flop. But seeing as how i wont be playing much poker for the next 2 years i figure i will forget most of what i know so posting it here will let me get a list as soon as i start playing again !!!!! Cheers Chase on 12. Nov 2003 11:42 Grateful Rooster wrote: > Chase, > > This is an excellent list and I respect your experience and past advice, but I would > argue that ANY list would be wrong to follow strictly. I think you focus on > discipline and this is important (I could use more of it myself), but you leave out > what I think to be just as important to winning poker -- adaptability. The best > strategy is one that can adapt to a particular table environment. If you follow your > rules strictly against a skilled opponent, he will, after a few hands, be able to > read you and consistantly take your chips. > > I don't like rules, but I do like guidelines and the ones you present are great. > Most of the best pros, I believe, are successful because they know when to stray from > the guidelines. > > BTW, can you explain the last guideline on your list -- the one about players from > Lingoping or wherever? Just a good player you ran into or is that code for > something? > > -GR | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, Grateful Rooster, 13. Nov 2003 07:19 | ||
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| Chase, I thoroughly agree with your comment about finding your own style. I meet a lot of players that play a "book" style, i.e. something they learned from reading a pro's offering of their style. These guys are easy to beat once you figure out which book they've read. ;^) I also track the key hands of the following types: - were tough to call - changed my table status (i.e. knocked me from big stack to middle, etc.) - won or lost me up a big pot The turning point hands are really the most critical. If you can analyze these well -- not just the cards and bets, but everything -- psychology, table environment, position, stack size -- you can really learn a lot. I use twodimes as well, but also found a site that does all the preflop work for you (http://www.gocee.com/poker/he_ev_pe.html). Actually, the methodology is somewhat different from twodimes. I'd be curious if you could relate how the results compare. Finally, sorry to hear you will be leaving the poker world. Change in life situation? If you play life's cards like you do poker's, I'm sure you'll find yourself and many a final table. --GR | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, PairTheBoard, 13. Nov 2003 11:09 | ||
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| Those are a couple of great links. Thanks guys. And thanks for sharing the value of your experience chase. | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, LJH, 14. Nov 2003 06:42 | ||
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| dear chase, thank you for your ideas. they sound great to me. there seems to be one weakness. if everyone at the table plays this way what happens to the game? ljh | ||
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| Re: What i have learned about NL poker, chasepoker, 14. Nov 2003 21:46 | ||
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| on 14. Nov 2003 06:42 LJH wrote: > dear chase, thank you for your ideas. they sound great to me. there seems to be one > weakness. if everyone at the table plays this way what happens to the game? ljh I think the idea is that not everyone does play in this way as if they did they would all be playing 100% perfect like me and the game would not be profitable :-) Couldnt resist.....16 hours and counting...... Chasepoker | ||
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