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 Value of Ax in a SNG?, Dr_Monkey, 11. Nov 2003 09:33 | ||
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| I was in a $11 SnG last night on Party. Down to 5 players and I have around $600. Fairly even stacks around the table. 4 Players have 1000+, so I think I am at risk of coming in 4th if I don't get some chips with the blinds at 50/100. Am I panicing too soon? I am OTB with A8s, and it is folded to me. I am not a big fan of Ax, but atleast it is suited and 8 isn't a horrible kicker. The SB and BB are two of the 1000+ stacks. Feeling I need to get some chips, I decide to go all in, hoping to steal the blinds. This table, much like other SnGs lately, I have seen people call with some poor hands. If I get called, maybe my ace can hold up or maybe I get a flush. Long shots but I really want to steal the blinds. Need some breathing room. I went all in and was called by the SB. He had AQ and out kicked me when the flop brought an Ace. Was this a bad all in? I think if I would have raised to 300, he might have re-raised me with his AQ, but I would be pot commited and probably would have to call. If I limped and he just called, I probably would have been out since an ace hit the flop. If I limped and he raised, I could fold, but how could I be sure that he wasn't trying to bully me since I only limped in. Maybe I should have folded and let some one else get caught. | ||
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| Re: Value of Ax in a SNG?, Grateful Rooster, 12. Nov 2003 12:00 | ||
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| You were effectively 3-handed there. Not quite, but close enough. Ax is a pretty good hand 3-way. Odds were against a hand better than A8s sitting in the blinds. Get your goods in when you have the odds. Limping could have allowed a crap BB hand to hit and take you out on a different flop. Let them think you're trying to steal. If they do and call with KJo, you double up with a smile. You played it correctly, IMO, but a more conservative player might say you should just shut down completely as the short stack in 4th position. If the other guys are giving each other action, then maybe you can wait one of them out. In that case, you really are only playing for 3rd, though. The agressive play with odds behind you gives you a better shot at winning. --GR | ||
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| Re: Value of Ax in a SNG?, PairTheBoard, 12. Nov 2003 13:43 | ||
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| I think you HAVE to make that All-In move in that situation. The next rounds of blinds will knock you down to 450 chips where your All-In moves become much less of a threat. You are OTB which makes the move much stronger than if your blind was just about to come up. Making the move OTB Speaks that you think it's time you need to make such a move, and the hand you hold is stronger than any you expect to be dealt in the next 4 hands - which A8s probably is. 600 is a major threat to them and passing on 50 or 100 chips does not hurt them much, but gaining 150 helps you significantly. They should be very inclined to fold. A couple of successful moves like this and you are a Player in the game again rather than just a short stack. If you don't make these moves when you have the chance you will be giving up a big part of the value in Survival Play early on. What happens many times is that after it gets to about 5 players left, the smaller stacks and bigger stacks tend to Chip Shuffle, with chips bleeding from the big stacks toward the smaller stacks. Those who benefit from these All-in moves are the ones who make them, and it's the smaller stacks who will be making them. The losers in these moves are both players when the move gets called. The big stacks know this and are forced by the Math of Expected Values for Coin Flips to lay down hands that are as Equally Strong as those held by the smaller stacks. This gives a Big advantage to the small stacks when stealing blinds. If you don't jump on that advantage you are giving up a big part of the value you gain by sitting out and watching Early Players gamble and get knocked out. otoh, You are at a $10 SNG. If the other remaining players are so poor that it is highly likely another 2 will be knocked out quickly, and it is also highly likely those in the blinds will Call when they should Fold, then you might have been right to pass. But as you Move Up in SNG's, the Super Tight strategy at this stage does not work so well. Watch the play at a $200 SNG sometime and you'll really see this All-In Chip Equalization Dynamic at work. | ||
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