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Betting Help, Dr_Monkey, 7. Nov 2003 05:57
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I am playing on Party at the $25 NL table. Blinds are .25/.5.

I am UTG and have JJ. I raise to $1.

The guy 2 to my left raises to $3.

All fold to me.

I don't have a read on this guy since he was new to the table, but I have to assume he has a high pocket pair or even AKo. I might be behind here, BUT for $2 I am willing to see the flop. I think to myself, that if I hit a J on the flop, I can score big.

Flop comes: 6 J 3. Rainbow. (But I really don't think I noticed the suits since all I saw was my set)

YOO HOO!!! I hit my set. I am going to slow play this. I check. He bets $5. HAHA!!! I got him. I have to put him on KK or AA, maybe even QQ.

River comes [ 6 J 3 ] 2 (Again rainbow)

For some reason I am scared of a str8. But how on earth would someone raise to $3 with 45 preflop. Or he could have A4 or A5. This is Party and it wouldn't surprise me if he raised with A4 or A5.

To protect against the str8, I go all in for about $13.

He folds.

I took down a nice pot but I think I played this very poorly. I guess there is always the remote possibility that the river will bring a card that gives him a higher set then mine. But that should not be a concern given the odds?

I think I should have checked the turn. If he bet, I should raise to maximize the value of my set. On the river I should bet because my raise my make him check and I miss a bet. Good Plan?


This brings me to a more general question.
I play a tight game but think I am still too tight once I get into a hand and make something on the flop. I am not maximizing my strong (probable winning hand). If I am last to act, and have been betting the flop and turn, but getting a caller that sees the river, I sometimes check the river in fear of a check-raise. Say I have AK and flop comes AK8 with a flush draw. It is checked to me and I make a pot sized bet to fold the drawers. I get a caller. Blank on Turn. And I make another large bet. Get a caller. River brings the flush but it's checked. I almost always check because if he did make his flush, he will either call my bet or raise it. But he could have just been calling his lower 2 pair or even pair, since this is party.

Is the check on the river good when faced with a possible str8 or flush or even boat the right play?
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Re: Betting Help, KJo, 7. Nov 2003 09:51
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To answer your second question first, checking the river is a good idea in NL when you think you're up against a straight or flush, since it will likely cost you a pile of money. The other bettor is likely to go all in if you put any bet out there and he's got it, but if you don't bet and he's got it he might just put in a smaller bet that you can make a crying call for. And if you have him beat, he'll check, but so what- at least you have him beat.

For the first part, the first problem was making such a small raise with JJ UTG. Other than that, you're playing too scared. If the guy had KK or AA, he might even call your all-in if you do it on the flop. Regardless of whether it's all in, I'd pop him back on the flop.

The point about slowplaying that people often miss is that in order for it to really work, the other player needs to improve his hand enough to be able to call big bets later. With your top set, you can't let him improve his hand, because whatever he improves to (if he has QQ, KK or AA) will likely beat you, unless you fill up.

Eli

on 7. Nov 2003 05:57 Dr_Monkey wrote:
> I am playing on Party at the $25 NL table. Blinds are .25/.5.
>
> I am UTG and have JJ. I raise to $1.
>
> The guy 2 to my left raises to $3.
>
> All fold to me.
>
> I don't have a read on this guy since he was new to the table, but I have to
> assume he has a high pocket pair or even AKo. I might be behind here, BUT for
> $2 I am willing to see the flop. I think to myself, that if I hit a J on the
> flop, I can score big.
>
> Flop comes: 6 J 3. Rainbow. (But I really don't think I noticed the suits
> since all I saw was my set)
>
> YOO HOO!!! I hit my set. I am going to slow play this. I check. He bets $5.
> HAHA!!! I got him. I have to put him on KK or AA, maybe even QQ.
>
> River comes [ 6 J 3 ] 2 (Again rainbow)
>
> For some reason I am scared of a str8. But how on earth would someone raise to
> $3 with 45 preflop. Or he could have A4 or A5. This is Party and it wouldn't
> surprise me if he raised with A4 or A5.
>
> To protect against the str8, I go all in for about $13.
>
> He folds.
>
> I took down a nice pot but I think I played this very poorly. I guess there is
> always the remote possibility that the river will bring a card that gives him a
> higher set then mine. But that should not be a concern given the odds?
>
> I think I should have checked the turn. If he bet, I should raise to maximize
> the value of my set. On the river I should bet because my raise my make him
> check and I miss a bet. Good Plan?
>
>
> This brings me to a more general question.
> I play a tight game but think I am still too tight once I get into a hand and
> make something on the flop. I am not maximizing my strong (probable winning
> hand). If I am last to act, and have been betting the flop and turn, but
> getting a caller that sees the river, I sometimes check the river in fear of a
> check-raise. Say I have AK and flop comes AK8 with a flush draw. It is
> checked to me and I make a pot sized bet to fold the drawers. I get a caller.
> Blank on Turn. And I make another large bet. Get a caller. River brings the
> flush but it's checked. I almost always check because if he did make his flush,
> he will either call my bet or raise it. But he could have just been calling his
> lower 2 pair or even pair, since this is party.
>
> Is the check on the river good when faced with a possible str8 or flush or even
> boat the right play?
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