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 Bad Play?, Adam Havey, 6. Nov 2003 06:03 | ||
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| Mid way through a 2-table $30SnG..blinds are 75/150.. I have approximately 4400 in chips which put me in 4th chip position...I get dealt 99 in the sb. 2 callers 1 EP and the Button...I raise and make it 600 all day. EP Calls and button folds... Flop comes K 2s 5 ....I bet $1k out to see where i am at..thinking my opponent has AQ, AJ, or maybe a smaller pair...I figured he would have raised with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK and KQ.....He calls. the turn comes 4 s making a flush and straight draw, at this point I am thinking he has Ax suited and maybe the x = 2 , 5, 4. So again I bet out another 1.5k he calls. River comes 3h....I check and he moves all-in...I call knowing i am probably beat and want to see if he really has the ace he flips over AJos and takes it down.... Hand 2 - Early in a $10 PL tourney on Pokerstars....~650 entrants. I get dealt AhKh in the Big Blind. Blinds are 100/200 I have 3200 chips avg at the table. EP Raise to 400, MP call and I call in the Blind flop comes 9c As Kd. I bet 1k EP calls and MP folds. At this point I am thinking my opponent has AQ, AJ, AK, KQ and I am way ahead. the turn comes 5h. I check and he bets into me 2K I reraise all-in he calls and flips over 99 for the set. Nothing comes on the river and I am out..... (Note: Quick disclaimer, I am fairly new to NL holdem been playing for about 6 months...It seems that with both of these hands I get committed to going all-in way to early...any thoughts on how to fight against this commitment. Also I seem to do better at Live tournaments - sometimes online I feel like I get this video game syndrome where I am just pushing the call button to see what the other guy has...thoughts) AH | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, KevinK, 6. Nov 2003 12:05 | ||
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| Regarding the first hand, when you bet out on the flop, he called simply because he had an ace to beat your king or felt you might have been on a bluff which was understandable. When the turn card hit, he probably called because he was on 2 draws with the ace and straight though an all in bet might have scared the player out depending on chip stack. On the river, nothing could have knocked him out of that pot and if you felt you were indeed beat, no point betting it out. What I don't know was how much this person had in chips. That could somewhat make a better picture of the puzzle. If he was first or second, he was probably thinking about calling bc he could afford to(the danger of doubling up a potentially better player doesn't enter into the average players' mentality, but knocking them out does). Regarding the second hand, I don't blame either you for calling. When the flop hit, I totally understand how you'd think the best hand was yours. It was a matter of him getting lucky. Someone on here told me something thats worked well for me now. After each card, you have to reevaulate the hand a little and combine it with the knowledge you have of the player. Of course, don't overanalyze or your head will spin(and spit out pea soup no less). | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, ARH, 6. Nov 2003 12:46 | ||
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| Kevin, Thanks for the reply....do you think it would have been good to re-raise with the 99's preflop? or try for a check raise on the flop? also to answer your question he had ~5500 chips which was third at that point... | ||
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| Re: Bad Play?, KevinK, 7. Nov 2003 11:33 | ||
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| Okay, I can formulate something now. A check raise may have worked if the turn didn't screw you like that (he probably would have called since he was on a draw). In cases like that, I normally try to take the pot down on the flop with a fierce bet like 2000(use with caution since this kind of play is extremely risky) since taking down little pots can be better than trying to go for a huge pot. It would be all based on if you think your opponent had a bluffing price or not along with your table image. From what I'm thinking, you've got a pretty solid, tight image (which you can use to bluff a few pots from time to time). If its any consolation, I'm even newer than you. I've only been playing for four months now. | ||
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