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 Busted out! Why?, skadet, 5. Nov 2003 16:53 | ||
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| So I sit at a 3/6 HE table at the local casino - Cache Creek in Nor Cal - on Monday night. I start with a rack. Basically, I played really stupid hands -- 9To, A3o, 53c... I played MUCH more loosely than I would play at the home games I host in other words. I pretty much got eaten alive, I lasted about an hour and didn't win a single pot. A rack isn't chump change for a college student; but am I risking losing everything every time I play with people who are better than me? What did I do wrong? GGRR! | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, mkpoker, 5. Nov 2003 16:56 | ||
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| on 5. Nov 2003 16:53 skadet wrote: > > Basically, I played really stupid hands -- 9To, A3o, 53c... I played MUCH more > loosely than I would play at the home games I host in other words. I pretty much > got eaten alive, I lasted about an hour and didn't win a single pot. > > A rack isn't chump change for a college student; but am I risking losing > everything every time I play with people who are better than me? What did I do > wrong? GGRR! You're kidding right? You've answered your own question above: "Basically, I played really stupid hands." Ska, play "really smart hands" instead! | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, Jav, 5. Nov 2003 17:03 | ||
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| The way you played is perfectly fine if your intent was to go have fun and blow a rack in an hour. Though if you decide to play poker in order to win money you may want to re-think your strategy. Play good solid starting hands for your position and the texture of the game you're in. Don't try to win it all in the first half hour. Once you only play solid starting hands, then we can start evaluating post-flop play! | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, skadet, 5. Nov 2003 17:12 | ||
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| Jav, I think you hit it right on the head: don't try to win it all in the first half-hour. First, I was with someone, a woman who came to play some slots & BJ, so there was some pressure to make it quick since she didn't want to sit and watch. Secondly, I think I misread the table. The kid to my immediate left in #10 had a stack of about 75 when I sat, and filled up 3 racks before I left. He was probably 22 or so, and [luckier|a better player] then I was. I sort of pegged him for a tourist like his friend in #8 who burned an easy $150 in just as much time. Advice for playing at a B&M is definately appreciated... I always seem to get so nervous! | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, Flatout_Mainiac, 5. Nov 2003 20:12 | ||
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| I was going to say that you must be nervous but you beat me too it. Two things you need to think about when you are in a B&M....or any place you aren't used to playing. 1) take away all the nice clay chip, the ding of the slot, the dealer, and all energy of a casino and what you have is nothing more than a game of poker not much different than your home type variety. Don't get caught up in all the energy just remember it is the same game you play at home with friends or online. 2) You are not there to impress anyone...not your girl, not your opponents, not the dealer, no one. You are there to get all the clay chips at the table in a nice neat stack in front of you....and that is it. 3) Maybe you should also try just hanging out in a casino for a long while and just get used to the atmosphere so you loose that aweness of the whole spetical. Good Luck. | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, re-buy, 5. Nov 2003 23:19 | ||
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| well, your first problem is playing at Cache Creek of all places....before my friends and i were 21 we would take a 2 and a half our drive every month up to Cache Creek from Santa Cruz to play a little poker...the card room there is utter crap....it's small, cramped, smoky, there's always a wait list about an hour long and there's no food....all that makes for a fairly uneasy poker playing environment... the nice thing is the level of play there in their 3/6 games are pretty weak and there's lots of money to be made....but like i said, i personally find it difficult to play my best when my back is aching because i'm stuffed in a 2 ft by 2 ft cube of space (and i'm a big guy), my lungs are so full of 2nd hand smoke i feel like i'm getting emphysema and i've lost half my stack the guy across the table who can't stop playing any two suited cards and keeps getting lucky i would suggest you find a better place to play around you....i don't know how far you live, but i fy you ever get a chance i would suggest trying out Bay 101 in San Jose...it's spacious, non-smoking, there's food, people are friendly and you can find a nice easy game to play in until you are more comfortable at the table | ||
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| Tell me more about B&M, skadet, 5. Nov 2003 23:31 | ||
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| You're right about Cache Creek. It's a crappy drive, and the poker "room" is pretty skanky. I'd check out the vegas-style Thunder Valley in Sac, but from what I hear, there's no poker room. I'd like to check out Bay 101. I'm in Davis, so it's not *that* far. I bet I could find a decent place in Sac though, right? Anyone played in Sacramento and want to share the experience? | ||
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| Re: Tell me more about B&M, re-buy, 5. Nov 2003 23:59 | ||
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| i have a friend who lives in Grass Valley which i kinda near Sac and Tahoe....his local place to play is a card room called Gold Rush....it's different though because it's dealers choice (he says it's primarily hold em though) and it's 6-2 spread betting....which means that in any round you can bet anywhere from 2 to 6 dollars....i personally have never played spread betting, but he says he likes it cause it's closer to NL and you can protect your good hands better....there's also this place in Hayward i've heard about called The Palace...it's supossed to be pretty nice, still kinda far from you, but closer than San Jose i think....major difference between The Palace and Bay (from what i've heard) is there's no posting on the botton like there is at Bay (one of the few things i dislike about Bay) and they have bad beat jackpots (one of the other things i wish Bay had)....also, another San Jose casino is Garden City....it's smaller and not as nice as Bay, but it's decent and it has some good games if you ever decide to take the trip down to San Jose look for a big asian dude that looks mexican, a 16 year old lookin skrawny dude with glasses, a hippie surfer dude with long scraggly hair, and the only dude in the casino wearing a sweatshirt with his hood up....those would be me and my crazy poker playin buddies....w'e're there quite often, so on any given day i'd say there's about an 80% chance we're there....i'm the big asian mexican lookin dude who'll be yelling at the jackass who just beat my AA's with a runner runner with a 2 4 offsuit :) | ||
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| Re: Tell me more about B&M, KJo, 6. Nov 2003 14:06 | ||
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| hell, go to Reno once in a while, it's only 2 hours from you, just as close as San Jose. Eli on 5. Nov 2003 23:31 skadet wrote: > You're right about Cache Creek. It's a crappy drive, and the poker "room" is pretty skanky. I'd check out > the vegas-style Thunder Valley in Sac, but from what I hear, there's no poker room. > > I'd like to check out Bay 101. I'm in Davis, so it's not *that* far. I bet I could find a decent place > in Sac though, right? Anyone played in Sacramento and want to share the experience? | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, Nathaniel Brous, 5. Nov 2003 23:43 | ||
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| Hi Skadet. You come across as a relatively new player, so let me offer some advice that might do you the most good at this point in your career/hobby/sport/whatever. Search your mind to see that you really are playing poker to earn money. If that is truly the case, then use the following thoughts as a starting point. Stripped of it's clothing, poker is a game of making good decisions. First. Reduce the decisions you have to make to a minimum. The easiest way to do this is to be very selective about which hands you start with. If you are not selective, you are starting the competition/each hand with a handicap. Excellent players have a broader range of hands they can play, because of experience, knowledge and great decision making. In time, your range will broaden also. At it's best...poker can be relatively effortless. This feeling is actually something to strive for. It is much more enjoyable to be in the position of maximizing a win, rather than trying to figure out IF you can win the hand. Again...hand selection will really help you in this regard. While "reading" a table is one of the many important factors that we consider while playing, it needs to take a backseat to your own interest(cards) in a hand. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. Pay close attention to this. If you folded every hand during that hour and walked away, you would still have $80+ in your wallet. Not only that, you would have experience. (huh?) After you fold your hands you get a front row seat at a poker game. Take your down time as an opportunity to pick up tells, betting patterns and positional holdings of your opponents. You will see the good, the bad and the ugly. Learn to distinguish between them and try and emulate the good. When you sit down at a table, try and create a mental bubble around you. The only things allowed in this bubble are you, your chips/cards and your good decisions. Let the distractions fade away. To answer your first question, yes... you are risking losing everything every time you play with people who are better than you. But..., you also risk losing everything every time you play with people who are worse than you (albeit a lesser risk). Remember this, "Even Jonny Chan can't overcome rolled Aces." The moral...no matter who you play against, the best hand wins in poker. Put yourself in a position to be the favorite in your hands, and over time you will come out on top. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, skadet, 5. Nov 2003 23:48 | ||
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| Nathan, Excellent post. You are right -- i've only been playing since March, and only with actual money since September. I am actually up +/- $80 in our little home games, but clearly I need the advice like the post you just gave me to level up. Thanks again, you guys are the best! | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, rdale, 6. Nov 2003 02:17 | ||
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| Were you drinking the free sweet booze the casino often offers... I know there is a point in drinking where I'm mentally loose and mean at the game, and a point were I'm just loose as a goose and really should just hand the other people my chips before seeing cards... | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, Roy Cooke, 6. Nov 2003 10:49 | ||
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| So, you think you played bad against better players and can't figure out why you lost so fast? If you want to have fun, go ahead and do what you did! If the money has meaning to you, I don't think that is a good decision on your part. If you want to win money, or just not lose your ass, you need to improve your game over and above the people you are playing with. You may get lucky once in while playing bad, but overall those racks are going to be disappearing quickly. Roy Cooke on 5. Nov 2003 16:53 skadet wrote: > So I sit at a 3/6 HE table at the local casino - Cache Creek in Nor Cal - on > Monday night. I start with a rack. > > Basically, I played really stupid hands -- 9To, A3o, 53c... I played MUCH more > loosely than I would play at the home games I host in other words. I pretty much > got eaten alive, I lasted about an hour and didn't win a single pot. > > A rack isn't chump change for a college student; but am I risking losing > everything every time I play with people who are better than me? What did I do > wrong? GGRR! | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, LJH, 6. Nov 2003 18:25 | ||
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| SKADET, YOU NEED DOME PSYCHOLOGICAL COUNSELING BEFORE YOU PLAY AT A BRICK ANDMORTAR AGAIN. YOU WERE ON TILT SO READ SOME GOOD BOOKS AND STAY HOME. LJH | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, hokie95, 6. Nov 2003 19:35 | ||
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| Skadet, unlike SOME PEOPLE, I think I can provide some meaningful insight here. I think you did what I have done when I play B&M sometimes -- you get excited to FINALLY!!! be playing with the big dogs that you can't keep smart play in mind. I've done it. I think part of the reason is that online is so much faster that live play feels so slow, so you lower your starting requirements in an effort to "make something happen." Well, something happens all right. And you know what it is. Hang in there and tighten up. -Hokie95 | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, KJo, 6. Nov 2003 22:16 | ||
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| And Skadet, one other thing- I know you're new here, so just choose to ignore or laugh at the meaningless crap we get from SOME PEOPLE. We all do. Eli on 6. Nov 2003 19:35 hokie95 wrote: > Skadet, unlike SOME PEOPLE, I think I can provide some meaningful insight here. > > I think you did what I have done when I play B&M sometimes -- you get excited to > FINALLY!!! be playing with the big dogs that you can't keep smart play in mind. I've > done it. I think part of the reason is that online is so much faster that live play > feels so slow, so you lower your starting requirements in an effort to "make > something happen." > > Well, something happens all right. And you know what it is. Hang in there and > tighten up. > > -Hokie95 | ||
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| Re: Busted out! Why?, Candide, 7. Nov 2003 12:49 | ||
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| on 6. Nov 2003 22:16 KJo wrote: > And Skadet, one other thing- I know you're new here, so just choose to ignore or laugh at > the meaningless crap we get from SOME PEOPLE. We all do. > > Eli I REALLY WISH you guys would just SAY WHO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I just can't EVER FIGURE OUT WHO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU TALK IN CAPS. just kidding of course. Jason...err, JASON | ||
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