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 Running bad, Mark Gregorich, 4. Nov 2003 22:47 | ||
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| My worst streak was a 7 month bad run. Yes, I made money over that period, but only a fraction of what I would normally expect to make. I attributed this run to three major factors: a) consistently being outdrawn in most of the major pots I played (lose enough hands to slim draws and it affects your bottom line quite substantially) b) poor games in Vegas following 9/11 (not a lot of loose money floating around) c) me playing too passively (scared, if you will) in some situations, due to the recurrent pattern of getting drawn out on - it got so that instead of rejoicing when I flopped a full house, I would bet and pray I didn't get raised, fearing a larger full house Coincidentally, I think that c may have compounded the effects of a. My weak play allowed opponents to stay in and cheaply draw out on me. This cycle then perpetuated itself. This flaw in my play may have only surfaced once a session, but carry that out over seven months and see what it does to your results! So, the question now is: Was I even running bad? (That's rhetorical, by the way!!!!) Mark | ||
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| Re: Running bad, Phish, 5. Nov 2003 08:41 | ||
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| Mark, A timely post as I am going thru the worst losing streak of my life right now myself. I have in the past gone as long as 500 hours without making a profit (my long term results ranging from 1.5 bets an hour at 20/40 to 1 bet/hour at 75/150). Part of it was running bad, which unfortunately causes me to play worse. Part was it was due to other factors. But right now, over the past 90 hours, I've lost $26K. Now, 90 hours isn't a lot, but this is almost 200 bets at 75/150. It's caused me to reexamine my game. Most of the loss, I'm sure, is due to just running bad, which again causes me to play worse than usual. But I suspect that changing game circumstances have contributed partly to my losses. I play in CT and the closure of the Sun room has meant that too many players now play at Foxwoods, which means that short-handed games are much rarer than in the past. And since my win-rate shorthanded is considerably higher than in a full game, this has hurt. Plus, I find myself playing with different players. Not necessarily better players, but players with different styles and I've not made the appropriate adjustments yet. In fact, I wonder whether given the failure to make the adjustment, I may actually be a losing player at 75/150. But one thing I think is very important is to never just blame all your losses on luck. Even when you're running good, there are aspects of your game you can improve. But running bad forces you to face up to your shortcomings. And poker is a very Darwinian environment; either you adapt or die. | ||
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| Re: Running bad, noiseboy, 5. Nov 2003 09:24 | ||
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| Yeah, you can't let it affect your play, but it's hard. I've been running bad at No Limit lately, and I still empty out my chips when I have the best hand and hope for a call, but now in the back of my mind is this voice saying "here's where this guy hits his two outer for all your money". It's really hard after getting outdrawn about ten or twenty times in a row when you have huge hands. It seems like I especially keep getting calls from sets and two pair, calls I WANT, when I have a made flush and they ALWAYS make it on the river. It's really bizarre how streaky chance is, the same unlikely event can recur over and over. You just have to ride it out, it goes back to the mean eventually. | ||
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| Re: Running bad, shorn, 5. Nov 2003 10:01 | ||
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| I have had the same thing lately noise. I had a guy call me yesterday on Party with T7o when I held AK and the flop was KJ4 with two diamonds (he had none). I bet the pot and he called. He hit runner runner 9 and Q to beat me with a str8. He called the flop for all his chips....but that's poker. | ||
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| Re: Running bad, noiseboy, 5. Nov 2003 15:01 | ||
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| I just have to remind myself, that they are going to continue playing bad, and that I'll have my chance to get it back. I add them to my buddy list and wait for my next chance to play with them. Running bad in No Limit is the worst. I lost nearly 2K in one weekend, and in almost every case where all the chips went in I had the best hand and got drawn out on. Anyway, the upside is that when you are running good, or just running normal for that matter, you can make back any losses and then some very quickly. | ||
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| Re: Running bad, Mark, 5. Nov 2003 09:42 | ||
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| I know there is a world of difference between my games and $75-$150, but I've found that when i'm running bad, it usually has something to do with my play. I just went through a 2 weeks of losing play ($5-10 online). I started to reread HPFAP and realized that i had loosened up significantly and as soon as i tightened up again, i was back on track. I had been running reallly good for 6 weeks and loosened up during that time as i had good reads on weak opposition. Then some of the fish went broke and the game tightened up again. I guess i didn't make the correct adjustments (ie. tighten up enough), cause i started losing against players i can easily read. I found myself drawing thin and showing down 2nd best hands. Mark | ||
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| Re: Running bad, Phish, 5. Nov 2003 11:57 | ||
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| on 5. Nov 2003 09:42 Mark wrote: > I know there is a world of difference between my games and $75-$150, but I've found > that when i'm running bad, it usually has something to do with my play. > > I just went through a 2 weeks of losing play ($5-10 online). I started to reread > HPFAP and realized that i had loosened up significantly and as soon as i tightened up > again, i was back on track. > > I had been running reallly good for 6 weeks and loosened up during that time as i > had good reads on weak opposition. Then some of the fish went broke and the game > tightened up again. I guess i didn't make the correct adjustments (ie. tighten up > enough), cause i started losing against players i can easily read. I found myself > drawing thin and showing down 2nd best hands. > > Mark The stakes may be different but I think the problems remain the same. I've noticed that I fall into the same traps that I notice other people do. When I've been running bad, I tend to loosen up. And this just exacerbates your losses. If I could play my best regardless of recent results, my longterm results would likely be quite a bit better. | ||
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| Re: Running bad, PairTheBoard, 5. Nov 2003 14:51 | ||
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| Yes. I find it much harder to make the good laydowns when I'm on a loosing streak. Emotionally I feel desperate to win a pot. It's easy to get lost in the gamble and lose my feel for the cards. Stepping down in limits seems to help in more ways than one. The action is eaier to follow which helps me get back my feel for the cards. I don't expect to win such big pots so am less inclined to get lost in the gamble. It's a bankroll defensive move which helps shrink me down to a more conservative mindset - the kind I have when winning and wanting to protect my win. It also helps restore my confidence in being a better player than others at the table. Many times, the mistakes I see others making at the lower limits are exactly the kind of mistakes I was making while running bad at the higher limit. | ||
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| Re: Running bad, SicSemper, 6. Nov 2003 01:24 | ||
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| I'm interested in anyone else's thoughts on good ways to break a slump. I'm in the middle of a 3-week losing streak myself, and though I've dropped down in limits, tightened up about as much as I think I can without turning into a rock, and read and re-read every book I have, I'm still getting clobbered every time I sit down. I'm considering sacrificing a chicken to the poker gods. If anyone's had success with that, let me know ;) | ||
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