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 age, jake, 2. Nov 2003 22:16 | ||
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| I am 17 years old, turning 18 at the end of the month when I will be able to play at my local card room. About a year ago I bought a few books and read them a little over the last year. It wasn't until about the last month when I really started to study them. I was wondering how people will react to my age. I look old for my age, people usually think I'm around 20, and when I grow out my beard people put me at around 25 or older. Would it be to my advantage for people to think I'm younger? I play very tight preflop and probably a little too loose and aggressive post flop, so maybe it would be to my advantage if they try to bluff me off the pot because I am so young and they think they can walk over me. From what I saw, the players at my club were very loose, 4 or 5 people called all the way to the end on the few pots I saw. Let me know if you have any ideas on this, how do you react to young players? | ||
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| Re: age, Palinya, 2. Nov 2003 23:13 | ||
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| some people will assume you are more fishy because of your age so that is an advantage... Lots of others will judge you on how you play and not your age. Lots of others don't even think past their cards so they won't judge you at all. | ||
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| Re: age, AS, 3. Nov 2003 00:24 | ||
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| Jake, I've been thinking about this a lot myself. I'm only 21, and look younger. Essentially, most young players tend to be very unsophisticated and I think this is reflected in how I am treated. It seems 90-95% of people in their mid 20's or younger fit pretty well into 2 player types. 1. Very loose agressive. They love all the bluffing on the WPT and want pull some moves, except that they're in a limit hold em game. 2. A fair number of young people seem pretty intimidated at the whole cardroom scene. Basicly they are intimidated and play like it. Super tight with little variance the whole time. This might be changing a bit with all of the new exposure (internet, WPT) but this has all held pretty steady the three years that I've been playing. As I result of this, my first hour or so seems to seriously impact how I'm viewed (at least by those who bother to look). If I catch some hands early and am real active, I generally get no respect and get called down by all sorts of crazy hands. But If I'm tight the first hour or hour and a half, It gets remarakbly easy to bluff. Many times people have openly made comments after when I open a hand with a raise after sitting quietly for the first hour. Now, everything I've just said probably holds true to pretty much everyone, but the circumstances seem more extreme when you look young. I'm curious to hear what anyone else experiences are on this. Also, it's defenitly worth mentioning that I only play at low limits with generally bad players. I would assume that any good player is going to evaluate your play for just what it is. I'm interested to hear your experiences and what you notice differently. Good luck Aaron | ||
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| Re: age, Robert M, 3. Nov 2003 15:04 | ||
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| Jake, I believe that you have a huge advantage. When I started I didn't look much older than 16. I would win more than I would lose. I developed a strategy where I would try to appear much looser/more aggressive than I actually was. I did this by throwing out 1 or 2 red herrings soon after I sat down, maybe a chase on an inside, or a miscalculated raise. Even asking for the occasional "poker tip" from another player. You only need 1 bad play in the beginning to establish table image for the rest of the session. Of course, I was just "happy to be playing and learning." Oh boy that was fun. Just make sure you are at the right table (read: at least 2 weak players), and mind your position. | ||
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| Re: age, backtoanalog, 5. Nov 2003 18:32 | ||
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| I'm 23 and haven't found much attitude towards my age one way or the other. I play 3-6 (successfully so far) and have found most players don't think past their cards. A few might stare at me looking for a tell, but they would do this to any other player as well. I have noticed that when I drag big pots, the loser(s) gets a bit more upset when its me (a kid) taking his money than he would if it were any other joe at the table. I've also noticed a few times that, while i'm sitting quietly, some talkative old guy who considers himself a wise sage will offer advice to me, thinking I don't know what I'm doing. Of course this guy wouldn't say anything to anyone else at the table, he just thinks he's helping me out cause i'm a kid. In cases like these I just smile and humor the man, be friendly, and of course, don't follow the advice. | ||
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| Re: age, gary ford, 5. Nov 2003 19:56 | ||
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| on 5. Nov 2003 18:32 backtoanalog wrote: > I'm 23 and haven't found much attitude towards my age one way or the other. I play 3-6 > (successfully so far) and have found most players don't think past their cards. A few > might stare at me looking for a tell, but they would do this to any other player as well. > > > I have noticed that when I drag big pots, the loser(s) gets a bit more upset when its me > (a kid) taking his money than he would if it were any other joe at the table. I've also > noticed a few times that, while i'm sitting quietly, some talkative old guy who considers > himself a wise sage will offer advice to me, thinking I don't know what I'm doing. Of > course this guy wouldn't say anything to anyone else at the table, he just thinks he's > helping me out cause i'm a kid. In cases like these I just smile and humor the man, be > friendly, and of course, don't follow the advice. you are wise beyond your years. Be quiet, respectful, and friendly. Then take their money without a touch of arrogance | ||
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| Re: age, backtoanalog, 7. Nov 2003 09:32 | ||
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| Mr. Ford, I'd like to think i'm wise but I beleive me, I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the compliment nevertheless. I don't want to hijack this thread, but a interesting question arises: Should I ever listen to advice from an old timer at a table? On the one hand, i've been fairly successful at LL, and maybe I should just keep doing what i'm doing. On the other hand, if a guy who appears to be successful gives me some advice in an unobnoxious way, should I give it a listen? I mean you never know, I could be sitting next to a legitimate pro who could take me under his wing. Then again i guess a legitimate pro wouldn't be giving advice to others at the table... | ||
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| Re: age, gary ford, 7. Nov 2003 10:38 | ||
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| on 7. Nov 2003 09:32 backtoanalog wrote: > Mr. Ford, > > I'd like to think i'm wise but I beleive me, I have a lot to learn. Thanks for the compliment > nevertheless. I don't want to hijack this thread, but a interesting question arises: Should I ever > listen to advice from an old timer at a table? On the one hand, i've been fairly successful at LL, > and maybe I should just keep doing what i'm doing. On the other hand, if a guy who appears to be > successful gives me some advice in an unobnoxious way, should I give it a listen? I mean you never > know, I could be sitting next to a legitimate pro who could take me under his wing. Then again i > guess a legitimate pro wouldn't be giving advice to others at the table.. Thank you for the MR., but it just makes me feel like an old-timer. It never hurts to listen, but always make up your own mind. You will get lots of advice from your fellow players . Most of it is useless. Read books, keep posting and learn from playing. Good Luck Gary | ||
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