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 check-raise or check-call (new thread)!....to aisthesis, 4 POKER, 1. Nov 2003 02:43 | ||
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| Hey Aisthesis, Yeah, I can be a night owl, too sometimes! Anyway, I think it's great that you're playing NL - and I think that you did specify it in your original post, but I just mistakenly responded with my "limit hold-em" response! Sorry 'bout that. But I'm going to be honest with you, as I think that someone with perhaps alot more experience with NL hold-em could probably be of more help to you than I, because there is a difference (as you know), and I'd hate to give you a misleading reply. I feel that for those who actually play the game have a better understanding to it all, (but I'll throw my thoughts in there from time to time). That being said - I'm glad that I was of some help to you by the way, and yes, specialization does have its advantages, so keep at it and good luck : ) 4P- | ||
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| Re: check-raise or check-call (new thread)!....to aisthesis, Aisthesis, 1. Nov 2003 09:38 | ||
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| Hey, thanks very much! I'm really guessing that your remarks on starters UTG apply equally to NL--perhaps even moreso. From my standpoint of complete ignorance regarding limit hold 'em, the real difference would seem to me just that in NL the big pots play a much larger role. So, I would think standard starting hands from various positions would remain the same. But I would also guess that, depending on read of table, the extent to which one can deviate from these standards is also larger in NL. | ||
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| Re: check-raise or check-call (new thread)!....to aisthesis, KJo, 1. Nov 2003 09:53 | ||
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| Acceptable starting hands change dramatically from limit to NL. Thing about NL is that you can try to limp in with the same hands you would limp with in limit, but you will frequently have to throw them away when someone goes over the top of you. In limit the worst that can happen is that it comes back to you at 4 bets or so. You also don't see as many multi-way pots. Drawing hands (suited connectors, small pairs, etc.) have less value in NL for this reason, and limping is often seen as a sign of weakness by others who will pounce on you. So if anything, NL requires tighter play pre-flop, particularly in tournaments. Eli on 1. Nov 2003 09:38 Aisthesis wrote: > Hey, thanks very much! I'm really guessing that your remarks on starters UTG apply > equally to NL--perhaps even moreso. From my standpoint of complete ignorance > regarding limit hold 'em, the real difference would seem to me just that in NL the > big pots play a much larger role. So, I would think standard starting hands from > various positions would remain the same. But I would also guess that, depending on > read of table, the extent to which one can deviate from these standards is also > larger in NL. | ||
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| Re: check-raise or check-call (new thread)!....to aisthesis, Aisthesis, 2. Nov 2003 16:18 | ||
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| Ok, that in fact really reinforces the importance of having a very strong hand to limp with UTG in NL--but again less so if the table is more passive and/or loose... | ||
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| Re: check-raise or check-call (new thread)!....to aisthesis, KJo, 3. Nov 2003 10:39 | ||
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| People will quite often limp with monsters like AA or KK UTG in NL, it isn't always recommended but it isn't always a bad play. If the game is passive (and NL rarely is), you can try to limp with stuff like suited connectors or small pairs, but it's a big risk- like I said you will often have to dump it when someone goes over the top of you. Picture this play that I like to make from LP or the blinds in NL. 3 or 4 or 5 people limp (since limping is often contagious), I have a decent but not spectacular hand (say 99 or QJs), I put in a big bet from where I am knowing that all those limpers who were just trying to see a cheap flop will now have to fold. At worst, I might be heads up against someone who may or may not have a real hand, but it's worth the chance to not only pick up the blinds but all those limp bets. So the keyword is caution, and try to avoid betting any hands that you can't raise with or call a raise with. Eli on 2. Nov 2003 16:18 Aisthesis wrote: > Ok, that in fact really reinforces the importance of having a very strong hand to limp with > UTG in NL--but again less so if the table is more passive and/or loose... | ||
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| Re: check-raise or check-call (new thread)!....to aisthesis, Aisthesis, 3. Nov 2003 11:51 | ||
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| I like that play a lot! I'm a bit less comfortable doing it with QJs but have had really good luck with pocket pairs--even lower ones. If I can get it heads-up, more often than not I'll even win it at showdown, as occasionally happens (particularly with the low pairs I'll generally start checking at the turn, depending on opponent and what cards are coming up). | ||
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