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What is Silent Propping?, Bart Mann, 31. Oct 2003 13:38
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I just read the post below (Question for Roy Cooke) and saw a term I am not familiar with. I spend a few hours a week in the B&M near my home, but admittedly do not pay as much attention to what goes on behind the scenes as most of you do (cardroom management, basically). Can someone help me out with this? What is Silent Propping? And why would a cardroom pay you to do it? Do all cardrooms do it, or just the larger ones? Do you apply for it like a job, or does the house come to you? Are there certain limits that Silent Proppers have to play? Have any pros ever started out doing this? Is it a good deal for an above average player?

Thanks in advance for your help.

- Bart -
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Re: What is Silent Propping?, 4 POKER, 31. Oct 2003 15:21
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on 31. Oct 2003 13:38 Bart Mann wrote:
> I just read the post below (Question for Roy Cooke) and saw a term I am not
> familiar with. I spend a few hours a week in the B&M near my home, but
> admittedly do not pay as much attention to what goes on behind the scenes as
> most of you do (cardroom management, basically). Can someone help me out with
> this? What is Silent Propping? And why would a cardroom pay you to do it? Do
> all cardrooms do it, or just the larger ones? Do you apply for it like a job,
> or does the house come to you? Are there certain limits that Silent Proppers
> have to play? Have any pros ever started out doing this? Is it a good deal for
> an above average player?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> - Bart -

Hi Bart,

Silent propping (or propping) is when a person plays at a B&M (though they have them on poker sites as well), and here's how it works: He plays with his own money. He plays in the games that need help getting started. The range in limits may vary depending upon the individual, but that is disscussed all ahead of time with the management. Say a poker room has a $30-60 stud game. It's just opened up but only 4 people sit down. Well that person will sit at that table so the game was not shorthanded. Alot of players won't play if the game is short and the "prop" player sits down to get it going. When more people start flowing in, the prop will either continue to play if the lists are not long or he will forfeit his seat so another player can sit there. He will move from table to table sometimes, but sometimes he may stay in one game depending on how busy the room is and/or if they need him to start up another game , OR to just keep one game from breaking up. He is paid X amount of dollars per hour to play in their card room. They pay him because many times if it wasn't for the props, certain games would break up or they may not have gotten started all together. He must put in a certain amount of hours each week- where it becomes more like a routined job. I'm not sure exactly how one would go about it but I know this guy in California who works as a prop and all of what I told you is how it works for him. It can be a good thing for the above average player. If the player was say below average, his BR may not last long enough even though he was getting paid by the hour. So maybe you have to prove yourself first, I'm not really sure to be honest with ya, when it comes to how they pick the individual. I would assume though that if the house was looking for props they may actually approach a person who is routinely there anyway, or, perhaps the person is the one that does the approaching to the house. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that. But they guy I know is a prop at Commerce Casino. He'll sit down in a $15-30 game, then you'll see him in a $30-60 game, and then he'll be found in a $20-40 game. He doesn't play lower than $15-30 and he doesn't play anything higher than $30-60. He was found in the games that tended to need a little bit more help ( if you will) getting off. He's a very good player but perhaps (I'm not sure though) he likes doing this as a "safety net" - make money playing poker, but also get paid by the hour. It sounds great and it 'can be' for some, but you are a little bit more confined than just someone who played for a living but was strictly on his own at all times when it comes to not having to adhere to 'any' one or anything. California is the one place that I know of that has prop players, and there are none in AC. (hope this helped a bit). There might be a little bit more to it, but that's how it works pretty much from what I was told.

4P-
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Re: What is Silent Propping?, gary ford, 31. Oct 2003 15:51
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on 31. Oct 2003 15:21 4 POKER wrote:
> on 31. Oct 2003 13:38 Bart Mann wrote:
> > I just read the post below (Question for Roy Cooke) and saw a term I am not
> > familiar with. I spend a few hours a week in the B&M near my home, but
> > admittedly do not pay as much attention to what goes on behind the scenes as
> > most of you do (cardroom management, basically). Can someone help me out with
> > this? What is Silent Propping? And why would a cardroom pay you to do it? Do
> > all cardrooms do it, or just the larger ones? Do you apply for it like a job,
> > or does the house come to you? Are there certain limits that Silent Proppers
> > have to play? Have any pros ever started out doing this? Is it a good deal for
>
> > an above average player?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > - Bart -
>
> Hi Bart,
>
> Silent propping (or propping) is when a person plays at a B&M (though they have them
> on poker sites as well), and here's how it works: He plays with his own money. He
> plays in the games that need help getting started. The range in limits may vary
> depending upon the individual, but that is disscussed all ahead of time with the
> management. Say a poker room has a $30-60 stud game. It's just opened up but only 4
> people sit down. Well that person will sit at that table so the game was not
> shorthanded. Alot of players won't play if the game is short and the "prop" player
> sits down to get it going. When more people start flowing in, the prop will either
> continue to play if the lists are not long or he will forfeit his seat so another
> player can sit there. He will move from table to table sometimes, but sometimes he
> may stay in one game depending on how busy the room is and/or if they need him to
> start up another game , OR to just keep one game from breaking up. He is paid X
> amount of dollars per hour to play in their card room. They pay him because many
> times if it wasn't for the props, the games would break up or they may not have
> gotten started all together. He must put in a certain amount of hours each week-
> where it becomes more like a routined job. I'm not sure exactly how one would go
> about it but I know this guy in California who works as a prop and all of what I told
> you is how it works for him. It can be a good thing for the above average player.
> If the player was say below average, his BR may not last long enough even though he
> was getting paid by the hour. So maybe you have to prove yourself first, I'm not
> really sure to be honest with ya, when it comes to how they pick the individual. I
> would assume though that if the house was looking for props they may actually
> approach a person who is routinely there anyway, or, perhaps the person is the one
> that does the approaching to the house. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that. But they
> guy I know is a prop at Commerce Casino. He'll sit down in a $15-30 game, then you'll
> see him in a $30-60 game, and then he'll be found in a $20-40 game. He doesn't play
> lower than $15-30 and he doesn't play anything higher than $30-60. He was found in
> the games that tended to need a little bit more help ( if you will) getting off. He's
> a very good player but perhaps (I'm not sure though) he likes doing this as a "safety
> net" - make money playing poker, but also get paid by the hour. It sounds great and
> it 'can be' for some, but you are a little bit more confined than just someone who
> played for a living but was strictly on his own at all times when it comes to not
> having to adhere to 'any' one or anything. California is the one place that I know of
> that has prop players, and there are none in AC. (hope this helped a bit). There
> might be a little bit more to it, but that's how it works pretty much from what I was
> told.
>
> 4P-

Works pretty much the same way in Lv, Dave. On occasion a card room will advertise for a prop. Its usually minimum wage and most oftesn lower limit games. Dealers sometimes play and just cover their uniforms with a sweater. Years ago in Calif. i played as a 50/50 player--
1/2 my money,1.2 the houses money. It was back in the lowball days before hold'em was legal. I was known then as Lowball Louie.

Gary--fuel the boom
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Re: What is Silent Propping?, 4 POKER, 31. Oct 2003 15:54
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on 31. Oct 2003 15:51 gary ford wrote:
> on 31. Oct 2003 15:21 4 POKER wrote:
> > on 31. Oct 2003 13:38 Bart Mann wrote:
> > > I just read the post below (Question for Roy Cooke) and saw a term I am not
> > > familiar with. I spend a few hours a week in the B&M near my home, but
> > > admittedly do not pay as much attention to what goes on behind the scenes as
> > > most of you do (cardroom management, basically). Can someone help me out with
> > > this? What is Silent Propping? And why would a cardroom pay you to do it? Do
> > > all cardrooms do it, or just the larger ones? Do you apply for it like a job,
> > > or does the house come to you? Are there certain limits that Silent Proppers
> > > have to play? Have any pros ever started out doing this? Is it a good deal for
> >
> > > an above average player?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help.
> > >
> > > - Bart -
> >
> > Hi Bart,
> >
> > Silent propping (or propping) is when a person plays at a B&M (though they have them
> > on poker sites as well), and here's how it works: He plays with his own money. He
> > plays in the games that need help getting started. The range in limits may vary
> > depending upon the individual, but that is disscussed all ahead of time with the
> > management. Say a poker room has a $30-60 stud game. It's just opened up but only 4
> > people sit down. Well that person will sit at that table so the game was not
> > shorthanded. Alot of players won't play if the game is short and the "prop" player
> > sits down to get it going. When more people start flowing in, the prop will either
> > continue to play if the lists are not long or he will forfeit his seat so another
> > player can sit there. He will move from table to table sometimes, but sometimes he
> > may stay in one game depending on how busy the room is and/or if they need him to
> > start up another game , OR to just keep one game from breaking up. He is paid X
> > amount of dollars per hour to play in their card room. They pay him because many
> > times if it wasn't for the props, the games would break up or they may not have
> > gotten started all together. He must put in a certain amount of hours each week-
> > where it becomes more like a routined job. I'm not sure exactly how one would go
> > about it but I know this guy in California who works as a prop and all of what I told
>
> > you is how it works for him. It can be a good thing for the above average player.
> > If the player was say below average, his BR may not last long enough even though he
> > was getting paid by the hour. So maybe you have to prove yourself first, I'm not
> > really sure to be honest with ya, when it comes to how they pick the individual. I
> > would assume though that if the house was looking for props they may actually
> > approach a person who is routinely there anyway, or, perhaps the person is the one
> > that does the approaching to the house. Again, I'm not 100% sure on that. But they
> > guy I know is a prop at Commerce Casino. He'll sit down in a $15-30 game, then you'll
>
> > see him in a $30-60 game, and then he'll be found in a $20-40 game. He doesn't play
> > lower than $15-30 and he doesn't play anything higher than $30-60. He was found in
> > the games that tended to need a little bit more help ( if you will) getting off. He's
>
> > a very good player but perhaps (I'm not sure though) he likes doing this as a "safety
>
> > net" - make money playing poker, but also get paid by the hour. It sounds great and
> > it 'can be' for some, but you are a little bit more confined than just someone who
> > played for a living but was strictly on his own at all times when it comes to not
> > having to adhere to 'any' one or anything. California is the one place that I know of
>
> > that has prop players, and there are none in AC. (hope this helped a bit). There
> > might be a little bit more to it, but that's how it works pretty much from what I was
>
> > told.
> >
> > 4P-
>
> Works pretty much the same way in Lv, Dave. On occasion a card room will advertise for a
> prop. Its usually minimum wage and most oftesn lower limit games. Dealers sometimes play
> and just cover their uniforms with a sweater. Years ago in Calif. i played as a 50/50
> player--
> 1/2 my money,1.2 the houses money. It was back in the lowball days before hold'em was
> legal. I was known then as Lowball Louie.
>
> Gary--fuel the boom

"Lowball Louie"! (sounds great). I wasn't aware they had props in Vegas. Do you know why they don't have them in AC?

Dave
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Re: What is Silent Propping?, gary ford, 31. Oct 2003 16:05
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I have no idea Dave
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Re: What is Silent Propping?, guinnessman, 7. Nov 2003 08:19
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Americas Card Room is currently looking for Prop players. You can make about 2 -3 BB/Hour by signing up. They require that you play at least 20 hours/ week for at least 2 hours at a time. I looked into it, but unfortunately the sight does not have many users and most of the time the only games going are NL. I love NL tournies, but I don't play NL for cash much and the hourly rate does not come out that big when playing NL. You can also get stuck for a lot of $$ when playing NL for 2 hours at a time.
** This is not an advertisement for ACR- I like the software, but not enough people to get a good selection yet.

Guinnessman
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