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 Help me with my Bankroll plz, Table Captain, 29. Oct 2003 17:35 | ||
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| Due to unforseen events i have had to withdraw from my bankroll leaving me with a a bare bones 1000 dollars. I play 6-12 mostly and 20-40 if not 6-12, however i now only have 83 BBs for 6-12 and 2040 is out of the question. I cannot stand to play 3-6 and 4-8 with 7 people seeing every flop and hitting every longshot draw imaginable.I feel i am a heavy favorite in the 6-12 game i play, so i want to go ahead and keep playing in hopes of giving my BR a quick boost.I am not considering playing the 20-40 again until i have 300 BBs in my BR. I was wondering what the pros think and any advice from anyone else who has been in a similiar BR situaton, whats the best way to steadily increase my BR drop down limits or trust my play? thx Table Captain | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, Angel, 29. Oct 2003 18:15 | ||
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| Absolutely, with out a doubt, if your BR is in jeopardy and the choice is drop down limits or increase your risk of ruin to an unhealthy level - the answer for me is to drop limits. Confidence in your playing ability is vital - just after having confidence in yourself to make correct decisions. The correct decision here is, imo, to step down. | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, Table Captain, 29. Oct 2003 18:50 | ||
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| on 29. Oct 2003 18:15 Angel wrote: > Absolutely, with out a doubt, if your BR is in jeopardy and the choice is drop > down limits or increase your risk of ruin to an unhealthy level. Thank you for your perspective angel. But you dont feel that if over say 30 sessions at 6-12 i have 25 winning ones that i shouldnt take the shot at the game because i can turn it into a healthy BR (for 6-12 at least)in a relatively short amount of time? | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, iceman5, 29. Oct 2003 18:23 | ||
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| Table Captain said "I cannot stand to play 3-6 and 4-8 with 7 people seeing every flop and hitting every longshot draw imaginable." I keep hearing people say this. I have been slowing moving up the limits and Im now at $2/$4 and have been very successful so far. But I dont see 7 people seeing the flop and hitting every longshot draw. Most of the games Im in have 30-38% seeing the flop. I salivate when I find a table with more than 40% (usually only available in great supply on the weekend). Where are all these super loose tables? I play at PokerStars where Ive heard the competition is a little harder than some others. Is Party where he's talking about? Also, Ive watched the $5/$10 tables as sort of advance scouting for my eventual move up and I havent seen hardly any difference whatsoever. To me its just like the blackjack tables. The guys playing the $25, $50 or higher tables are no better than the $10 tables...they just have more money. | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, modestmice, 29. Oct 2003 18:32 | ||
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| i understand what your saying iceman, but you play online, and captain plays live. i play live and quit playing online after a year, because i prefer live. anyhow, what captain is saying is totally valid. it is a simple fact that live low limit play is often 5+ handed on the flop. therefore a poor bankroll will surely suffer the swings and arrows of the loose lower limits. my advice is too stop playing and build up the proper bank for your perfered limit. dropping down will only cause needless frustration ino. you need to have confidence to play well, and you dont seem to be the type to play well with low level fish, and do not have the bank to handle the swings inherent, so quit unitl you can make a comeback... | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, modestmice, 29. Oct 2003 18:45 | ||
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| i should also add that being a professional sales rep has taught me the importance of having confidence in any endeavor you undertake. not fake confidence, but a true feeling that you can win given the situation. if you dont feel confident that you can beat 3-6 games with a small bankroll, then the decision should be clear. some players are just better off playing lower or higher limits based on not only their bankroll, but playing style and confidence level. so, just because you have the bankroll doesnt mean you should play 80/160 and likewise if you dont have the bankroll it doesnt mean you should play 1/2 and drop down to the lowest level. just dont play until the conditions suit your confidence to play again... | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, Table Captain, 29. Oct 2003 18:42 | ||
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| I play live and thats exactly what the 3-6 and 4-8 tables at my cardroom are they are L-I-V-E. Straddles are commonplace and preflop raises only entice people to play because its a "raised up pot" i stand to make more money if i hit the winner. That is also a common statement from players in the games. I know if i play the same as i do at 6-12 i will still be a winner but i like to play with people who fancy themselves a "creative or better than average player" because they are more likely to fall for semi-bluffs and alot of times i can get people to fold on the turn for one bet when neither one of us has much, however i get called all the time by multiple people in the LL games. | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, 4 POKER, 29. Oct 2003 18:42 | ||
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| You asked: "What's the best way to steadily increase my bankroll"? Or, "Shoud I Just trust my play"? If you want to try to steadily increase your bankroll, then playing in the $6-12 game will be the way to go. Besides.....You're in your element at that limit. I personally may even suggest to play lower than that but it seems that you already have your mind made up that anything lower than that is out of the question, and having those feelings about it may only cause you to have less regrard (respect) for the limit. Trusting your play is important but whether you play well or not - a BR of 1000 bucks can disappear in one sitting at $20-40. So it depends on how much you are willing to forfeit here. Weigh it out for yourself: You can play in the $20-40 game and hope that you get off to a good start. If you lose your BR however, would you have means of replenishing it quickly enough to put you back into action, and how would you feel about it if it happened.( Would losing that $1000 effect you too much mentally afterwards) - and/or, would playing in a $20-40 game *knowing* that this is your case money (for now) effect you too much into not being able to play comfortably and with confidence? I think you already know which would be the safest and perhaps the more correct way to *steadily* increase your bankroll, but then again......those are questions that only you, can answer for yourself. 4P- | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, Table Captain, 29. Oct 2003 19:06 | ||
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| 4Poker i always enjoy your posts- they always make me think. 3-6 is not out of the question, however; I know that i play suboptimally at LL because i have no respect for the play of those players. Does he have the nuts or did he just 3 bet me with bottom pair no kicker again? I cant read people at LL, Side note: i am NO doyle Brunson but i feel that i am pretty good at reading players and making decisions accordingly. Even fish get cards but th eir play is so erratic that i cant tell when they have a hand. Second i am not even considering playing 20-40 until my Br is replenished even though i can refund it without much problem. It is a matter of pride though because after my initial investment of 20$ at a home game a long time ago i had built my BR off of other people and I do not want to put my own money in to start over. yes i would probably feel pressure if i were to play with "case" money in the 20-40. But the 6-12 is a different story because i will buy in for a rack of $2 chips and can turn that into 1000+ in one night. even if i get busted i have several buy ins left. Am i deluding myself into thinking that 6-12 is my best shot or am i justified in my thinking? 4poker if it was you would u play 6-12? how bout the rest of UPF? | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, modestmice, 29. Oct 2003 19:10 | ||
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| ive already donr 2 post here. i would give the 6-12 a shot over dropping. if you bust and can handle it, your better off. i play 6-12 live and thats what i would do. i would never go to 3-6 | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, 4 POKER, 29. Oct 2003 19:47 | ||
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| Hi, What I would do and what you should do, may be two different things. That's why I said, only you can answer that question because I (we) don't really know how much impact this would have on your life - your well-being.....your finacial situation at this time.......what means do you have to replenish your bankroll.....etc. etc. Is this money extremely important to you - would you be "out on the street" if you lost it? I'm serious.......I'm not trying to cop out here as to not giving you a pat answer, but people approach things in different ways according to what their priorities may be. I have no idea as to what your (whole) financial situations is, and for me to tell you what I would do, may not coencide for what is best for you. I suggested $6-12 and perhaps even lower, but that's your choice to make and how you would feel emotionally, and finacially stable, as well. I'm sure you'll make the correct choice, for you and your bankroll :) sorry if my response wasn't clear cut as to which limit that I would chose, exactly, but I will tell you one thing that I would do, and that's, I'd protect the bankroll that I do have, while allowing it to grow - how ever much it may be. Dave | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, ReMMy, 29. Oct 2003 19:55 | ||
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| $1000 is not a lot of money, and anybody w/ a halfway decent job can come up w/ that much money. That being said, I absolutely think you should play 6/12. You are very comfortable at that level, and if you run good you will soon have enough to weather a bad run of cards. If by some chance you run bad right off the bat, suck it up and put in another 1k of your own. Chances are you won't need to, but if you do, at least you didn't have to go down to lower limits, you know you're going to make money eventually... So basically if you can afford to chip in your own cash if necessary, then play 6/12, if not, then you need to re-evaluate your options. | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, hokie95, 30. Oct 2003 05:34 | ||
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| Well, you said: "yes i would probably feel pressure if i were to play with "case" money in the 20-40. But the 6-12 is a different story because i will buy in for a rack of $2 chips and can turn that into 1000+ in one night. even if i get busted i have several buy ins left. Am i deluding myself into thinking that 6-12 is my best shot or am i justified in my thinking?" If you can turn $200 into over $1000 in one night ($800 profit/$12BB/8 hours = 8.33 BB/hour), then do that a few times. But that seems awfully optimistic. But if you are good enough to sit and win regularly at 20-40, then winning consistently at 6-12 should be no problem. (This would be the converse of don't move up until you can beat the table you are at.) With the confidence that you are that good a player, I can't imagine the fear of losing the BR at 6-12 would overcome the skill advantage. If it does, hell, I'll fund you if you're as good as you say you are. -Hokie95 "You have a 1:51 chance of being dealt the A of spades as your first hole card. The odds go down significantly if the A of spades is up my sleeve." | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, jake, 6. Nov 2003 20:52 | ||
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| I'll be the first one to say that I'm no expert at poker but maybe your best bet would be to read or re-read a book like Lee Jones' (I don't know what game you are playing) and moving down to the 3-6 table and play tight until you get enough money to feel comfortable at the higher tables. Sure you can't read hands and the other advanced plays that work at higher tables, but reminding yourself of the real basics might help you beat that game faster so you can move up. | ||
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| Re: Help me with my Bankroll plz, noiseboy, 11. Nov 2003 10:50 | ||
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| Just get a job for a bit to get to 300-400BBs then you can play 6-12. Another option, do you play O8B? Because in O8B the "schooling" affect of longshot draws is mitigated by the high/low nature of the game, and you may be able to build a bankroll back up with less risk. Also, people will often be drawing almost dead due to the fact that multi-way, the nuts or close to it are often out there, when you are holding them, you will be amazed at people still calling you with lower flushes, lower full houses, non-nut lows, etc... Anyway, when I take a hit to my bankroll, I'll often switch to Omaha 8 to build it back up. | ||
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