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 How to play this better?, jackeboy, 29. Oct 2003 07:12 | ||
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| Last night. $11 Sit'n'go - down to 20 players out of 236 (pays to 30th but only peanuts after 10th). I'm on about T10,000 (a little below average) on the SB. Chip leader (T44,000) is on the BB. Blinds are T750, T1500. I have made back my buy-in so I figure that I'll try a few moves to get into the good money, rather than just holding on as long as possible. I get K8s and it folds around to me. I know that the chip-leader will protect his blinds so I just call (1st mistake?) and hope to hit the flop or let it go. Chip-leader checks. Flop is K77 rainbow. 2 pair with a crappy kicker. I am guessing that I have the best of it and decide to bet T2,000 to see where I stand. Chip-leader calls. Hard to read - I bet pretty quickly and I think he might be trying to stop me stealing but then he could have trips or a better king. Flop is a 2, bringing me a fourth diamond. I decide to check (2nd mistake?) to see if he'll give anything away. He checks. River is a 2. I check and he bets T2,000. I call (worst mistake?). He turns over 82o for the boat. (board is K7722) I would be grateful for any comments on how to play this better. I don't feel it was a bad beat - I think I let myself lose it. I was wary of getting into a hand with this guy all along because he was a very solid player who made most of his cash by forcing people out of hands (not the usual all-in against anyone big-stack) after the turn. My own thoughts, in hindsight (20/20), are that if I raised before the flop, the bet after the flop would have won it. A bet on the turn probably would have won it. In other words - I didn't commit to the hand and gave him the chance to draw out on me. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, Eman, 29. Oct 2003 07:24 | ||
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| I would raise preflop. I dont stop stealing blinds against bigger stacks. With K8s I would raise the BB almost always. Lets say you raise the BB 10 times, I would imagine you steal the blinds around 6-7 times. After he checks and you have top two pair, I would bet bigger. A 2000 bet is nothing to the chip leader. You cant play timid late in the tourney. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, Eman, 29. Oct 2003 07:29 | ||
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| I would raise preflop. I dont stop stealing blinds against bigger stacks. With K8s I would raise the BB almost always. Lets say you raise the BB 10 times, I would imagine you steal the blinds around 6-7 times. If you raised preflop and he for some strange reason calls. You can rule out that hes holding a 7. So now you have top pair and you can mage significant bet without worring about the 7. But in your case he checks and see the flop for free. You have top pair agaisnt the BB, I would bet much more than 2000. Thats nothing for the chip leader. If he calls a big bet, than you have to take your loss and be willing to fold to a raise. Your first mistake is not raising the BB preflop.. You have no clue about his hand. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, Eman, 29. Oct 2003 07:30 | ||
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| also, late in the tourney you cant play timid. Its just way to costly. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, jackeboy, 29. Oct 2003 07:52 | ||
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| Thanks Eman. You're right about timid play. I think I gave this guy too much respect and it affected my decisions. I'm finding it hard to get used to the fact that you need to play every hand in these tournies as if it was your last. Seems like I'm all-in everytime I pay to see a card. Anyway, thanks again. 'evolution, not revolution - i want to evolve, not revolve' Jack | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, Mark, 29. Oct 2003 08:35 | ||
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| You played the hand very passively for your hand and how late it was in the tournament. On the flop, anywhere from 2000 to a pot size bet is good. But on the Turn when a blank hits AND you pick up a draw, why check? The pot is around 5000, and should mean alot to you. If you were willing to call a bet on the end anyway, you should have made a move and given the BB a chance to fold, and the turn was the right time to do this. By checking the turn, you allowed a free card and lost the pot. Mark | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, noiseboy, 29. Oct 2003 09:03 | ||
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| Late in the tournament, you almost never limp when you are first in the pot. Raising or folding are usually the options and usually depend on how many players are behind you and the quality of your hand. Being the aggressor is a huge advantage in short-handed pots. My guess is that with 82o, he probably would have just conceded his blind to you in the first place. Then on the flop after you have already shown aggression, you make a larger bet with top pair, heads up you don't worry as much about someone with a K-good kicker or a 7, although anything is possible with him coming out of the blind. Anyway, likely result would have been that you took down the pot before the flop, unless he just tried to get cute and played back at you by putting you all-in preflop, which you probably wouldn't call with K8s. However, usually people will only do this with a somewhat reasonable hand. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, noiseboy, 29. Oct 2003 09:06 | ||
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| Wouldn't he have to have 72o for the boat, or K2 perhaps? It doesn't change a lot since trip twos is pretty much a monster hand heads up as well. and either of those hands would likely have hit the muck if you raised pre-flop. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, FlopDaNutz, 29. Oct 2003 12:42 | ||
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| what place did you finish? | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, jackeboy, 30. Oct 2003 13:42 | ||
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| Cheers for all the advice guys. Something I didn't mention was that I had tried to bluff (what I thought was a weak) player out of his big blind a couple of hands before and he showed down AKo. I think that contributed to my overly-cautious play. I held on for 15th but it paid the same as 20th. Made my first final table in the next comp but I was all in on the small blind on my first hand so I went out 10th. evolution, not revolution - i want to evolve, not revolve Jack | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, McMonkey, 30. Oct 2003 08:48 | ||
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| on 29. Oct 2003 09:06 noiseboy wrote: > Wouldn't he have to have 72o for the boat, or K2 perhaps? 2 7's on the flop and 2's on the turn and river. A 2 in the hole gave him a boat 2's over 7's. | ||
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| Re: How to play this better?, noiseboy, 30. Oct 2003 09:01 | ||
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| Right, I misread. | ||
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