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 How to play $25 NL tables..., FlopDaNutz, 29. Oct 2003 06:13 | ||
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| I'm an intermediate NLHE player and learning more everyday. I play strictly NL $25 tables with the occasional $10 SnG. I have fun at the tourneys but have learned that it is hard for me to make much money at the $10. I dont YET have the bankroll to play any higher stakes. I stay slightly ahead when I play tourneys, but they take so long, it would take forever for me to get up big placing in money about 25-30% of the time. This is why I have started the 25 NL tables and have been doing fairly well. I play well consistently, but I make some very dumb decisions, which happens easily at a NL table especially at the lower stakes where people arent as afraid to lose 25 on an allin call opposed to the $100 Nl tables. Anyway...At any given session, I get up about double my buy in at one point or another. Not gonna say that I have never lost my buyin, because it happens all the time, but I just rebuy and win it back in no time. I often go in the hole $25-50 when I cant get cards before I can go on a streak and get up. My bigges problem yet, is cashing out of a table when I am ahead. I always get up, and seem to stick around just a little too long and give my money right back. I need to set up some sort of limit where if I get up double or over 50...then cash out and either rebuy $25 with money in the bank or go play SnG's with my profits. When i get up big at table, i try to use my chip lead to my advantage, and the bad beats and the missed draws come out to haunt me. This seems to happend everytime i get up big, it is just too hard for me to walk away when I know I am one of the top 3 players at the table, and I am taking lots of money. What can I do to help discipline myself to either bank my winnings or some how hang on to them to turn them into more winnings. I play good poker consistently but like I said, i hit the breaking point and before I can blink, my chips are gone. I need to get out or switch games before that happens. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., shorn, 29. Oct 2003 06:19 | ||
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| I think you need to stop treating the online games like a live NL game where bullying with your stack is very effective. I find that this doesn't work online, as even at the $100 tables (where I mostly play), there are many many players who will not fold draws to huge bets. Basically, I play these games successfully by betting big preflop when I have the goods (AA, KK, QQ or AK), and then limping with a lot of other hands that can turn into monsters (AQ, AJ, suited conectors and one-gappers, all small pairs). However, and this is the most important thing IMO to protecting your winnings, if you don't flop big, THEN YOU MUST FOLD. Also, if someone else shows significant strength and you aren't at least drawing to the stone nuts, THEN FOLD. FOLD, FOLD, FOLD. This is the only way that at the end of the session you can protect your winnings (and it doesn't always happen mind you). Good luck. Steve | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., FlopDaNutz, 29. Oct 2003 06:50 | ||
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| I like your advice, thanks Shorn. How about leaving the table? At what point when I am up should I cash out? Any other suggestions? | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., shorn, 29. Oct 2003 07:44 | ||
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| My pleasure. Leaving the table depends on how you feel and whether the table has changed or not. I generally play for no more than 3 hours online because I feel that mentally I lose my edge for longer than that. But, you could be able to stay in top form for longer...it all depends on the individual. As far as setting an amount to win and then leave, that would apply more to limit play, because let's say you would set your number at $100. If you happen to be lucky enough to hit two big all-in hands early, you could get there in 10 minutes. You have to go by how you feel and your determination as to whether or not you are still a favorite at this particular table. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., FlopDaNutz, 29. Oct 2003 12:30 | ||
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| Anyone else have a strategy that works for them at the $25 NL tables? | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., mroban, 29. Oct 2003 14:47 | ||
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| Flop: I generally play either $50 or $100 but the strategy on the $50 tables is similar - grind it out and attack small pots. Its a bit boring, but I will raise 4x the blinds with AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AKs or AKo. If passed to on the button I will raise the blinds 4x too (about a 90% fold rate, very profitable) with almost anything playable. Usually these tables are kind of loose passive preflop so in LP and mid LP, you should play all small pairs and suited connectors (and the one gappers like shorn said). If you miss the flop get out. Especially with hands like top pair weak kicker (when you play the mid suited connectors) that cannot improve when an earlier position bets. Just not worth playing those hands. Dont try tricky moves like making grand reraises on a bluff trying to steamroll your opponent. It won't work. Sometimes perhaps, but you will get caught badly. Hard to bully a guy with $18 in front of him. There is no fear there. If you make a set with a small or medium pair, go for a check raise. Those are the hands that I usually take an opponents whole stack with. You get 66 on the button, limp in, the flop comes Q62 rainbow you are in great shape for a check raise. Check and wait for the player with KQ to bet. Flat call. Check again. Usually the player will make a bigger raise and you go allin. I usually get one of those a night when things are running good. Just be patient. I am not an expert, but have logged many hours in the past 2 years playing NL online. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., Aisthesis, 29. Oct 2003 16:28 | ||
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| If you can really follow shorn's advice, I'm guessing you'll probably make more money staying than leaving (a certain number of hours sounds like a good plan rather than reaching a certain bankroll goal). Anyhow, I had the same problem with losing the big bankroll for a while until I realized why it was happening: In the attempt to bully people around and use the advantage of my larger bankroll, I started making too many questionable plays and ended up giving back what I'd won. From my own experience, I tend to think now that if you just continue to play good poker, you'll on the whole make a big bankroll bigger. Just don't succumb to the tempting thought that with all those winnings you can now get away with sloppy play. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., mroban, 29. Oct 2003 14:40 | ||
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| Totally agree Steve. But this does somewhat contradict your advise to Jonny on the allin bet, doesn't it? Anyway, thats exactly how I have been playing and its very profitable. Especially on the $100 tables. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., shorn, 30. Oct 2003 06:03 | ||
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| I don't think it does. I consider flopping AA into a Q56 board a pretty big flop. And, the SB bet out there representing most likely AQ, so in that case, you must put in a big raise to lose the last player and get heads up. Even if you are behind, you still have outs to catch up. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., FlopDaNutz, 30. Oct 2003 06:05 | ||
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| Shorn, was this reply meant for another post?? | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., shorn, 30. Oct 2003 06:19 | ||
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| mroban had questioned my thought process in the folding A in NL post, so I was relating it to that. | ||
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| Re: How to play $25 NL tables..., noiseboy, 29. Oct 2003 12:29 | ||
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| People in the low NL tables call too much, so don't semi-bluff your draws. Just bet big when you get a big hand and hope they have something to call you with. Sometimes it will seem completely obvious you have the nuts, but they will call anyway because the stakes are small, and they see stone bluffs on the WPT all the time. Raise with your big pairs and big slick pre-flop, but realize that when 4 or more players are in the pot 1 pair may no longer be good enough. At the low tables, if I just bought in and I get AA's I might even just push if someone has already raised. In the 25 tables, sometimes people will call all-in with medium and low pairs, AK-AT (even lower suited) and even KQ or KJ and the like. I've often been amazed to see somebody turn over a pair of 77s or the like when I went all-in with my AA's. Sometimes you just win the pot right then, which isn't that big a tragedy when you consider the fact that if you raised the pot a reasonable amount, you might have six players in there trying to crack you AA's. Anyway, the strategy is pretty simple, make best hand, bet a lot when you have it, hope they call. | ||
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