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 wild 6-12 hands, Table Captain, 29. Oct 2003 01:04 | ||
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| Playin 6-12 at B&M. I have been playing about two hours and am -$200 due to some tough beats and one hand where i displayed extreme ignorance. here is the terrible hand. Dealt Js9s on the button decide that with 4 limpers to me and the sb likely along for the ride that i could win a big pot if i hit the flop hard. Flop 9d9h2d okay so it the flop pretty hard i think. SB bets all call to me i smooth call here(yeah right). Turn Qd SB bets again BB calls, call, raise i wake up and realize i just let a diamond fall for practically free and decide the only way i can win the pot is if I 3 bet here to represent the nut flush and hope the board pairs or i can get somebody to make a tough laydown( J or Q high flush.) SB calls BB folds,fold,raiser calls. River 6s . Sb checks raiser checks(wow i think i might be able to win this for one bet on the river. I bet SB folds and the raiser studies his cards and then decides to call showing KdJd. What do you think of the hand, comments are appreciated(of course i know i misplayed the flop badly). After getting KK and losing to AA and getting QQ and losing to 47o i get this hand. i am UTG +3, UTG player is new to B&M and has been overplaying his hands in a huge way.(raises me with Q2 with a board of rainbow 2-5-7-Q-10 and i hold QJ).Before i look at my cards UTG puts in raise both players in between call i look down and find AdKd I make it 3 bets button calls and sb bb utg,+2,+3 all call. I believe the original raiser to be weak. ANd when the flop comes down 6d-4d-Ks i am loving life. A bet and a raise in front of me 3 bets and button calls 3 cold(played almost every hand loves overcards and big pots)SB folds,BBfolds,utg calls and Utg+1 calls utg2 folds. Turn is a black nine its checked to me and i bet and get heads up with preflop raiser. River is As. i made top two but i really wanted diamonds- i thought. PF raiser bets out and i of course raise and he calls and shows me AQo. And i take down a huge pot since he was drawing dead when the king hit the flop. Very next hand i get black fives and we have a family pot flop is K-9-10 rainbow; its only one small bet to me to peel one for my set and bam 5h hits the turn. now theres a bet in front of me and two folds and i raise everyone behind me folds. raiser calls. River; J. now he checks and i bet and he raises and i call. He shows AQ for the rivered nuts. Did i play badly? i felt like he played the hand badly but ended up a winner. am i just whining (ala Phil Hellmuth)? I would appreciate any comments on the hands and any advice from the pros on how to come back from a tough run of beats at the beginning of a session. Table Captain. | ||
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| Re: wild 6-12 hands, 4 POKER, 29. Oct 2003 01:51 | ||
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| Hand No.1: J-9 suited OTB. Good call pre-flop. I would have raised it on the flop after flopping trip nines when the SB leads at it and everyone calls behind him. You're in a good spot to pick up some dead money there if you improve your hand, and I would want the drawing hands to pay, while also trying to eliminate some of the callers (The flop was pretty favorable for you as it wasn't co-ordinated at all except for the two-flush). If you do raise it there, and a flush card comes up on the turn, they might check it to you looking to check-raise it, but you could always apt for the free card. When the turn does bring the flush however; and the SB bets and the BB calls, and you raise it.....unless you think that one of your opponents is capable of laying down a flush on this street or the river when you don't improve to a full house...(then your raise has lost its value). There's also that possibility of someone holding Q-9, too. Hand No.2: A-K suited: Well played throughout. Great flop for your holding even if you are behind at this point, which I doubt. You made the most of it here. Hand No.3: Pocket fives: Limping in with small pairs is okay to do in the right position, for a cheap price, in non-aggresive type games, but when the flop comes up K-10-9, you need to throw it away when faced with a bet. It doesn't mean anything that the flop was rainbow- this is not a good flop (or the right flop), to peel off another card. The board is highly co-ordinated here, and even if you get in for one small bet; if you turn your set and the board pairs on the river, you could still lose unless you river quads. Get in cheap with the hand, and get out cheap when it misses you completely. The best way for you to battle back when your session gets off to a rough start, is to play as if you just started - you're not up or down - you are even. You should think about the hands that you've played and look to see if you need to make some corrections and/or adjustments in your game - but you must put any of those bad beats behind you and just keep a mental note on how all the hands were played out. The only thing you need to do is to always play your best while making correct decisions each and every time, and to never stray from that mind-set. Focus and self-discipline is the only way to go. There are no substitutions. Don't go chasing a loss just to see if you can get lucky on a particular hand or two - (I'm not saying that you did that), but if a player falls into that trap, nothing will be clear to him, at all, and the ditch will only get bigger. hope this helps. 4P- | ||
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| Re: wild 6-12 hands, Schuster, 29. Oct 2003 10:16 | ||
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| I was going to reply, but 4 Poker said everything I was thinking. Good post. Lee | ||
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| Re: wild 6-12 hands, KJo, 29. Oct 2003 13:23 | ||
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| One thing I would change from 4 POKER'S suggestions on the first hand- if you raise the flop (which I would) and they check to you on the turn, I would definitely bet the turn even with the 3 flush out there. If you get check-raised, so be it, you're still calling to the river anyway. But checking the turn and giving a free card will be catastrophic if a 4th diamond falls on the river. Eli on 29. Oct 2003 01:51 4 POKER wrote: > Hand No.1: > > J-9 suited OTB. Good call pre-flop. I would have raised it on the flop after > flopping trip nines when the SB leads at it and everyone calls behind him. You're in > a good spot to pick up some dead money there if you improve your hand, and I would > want the drawing hands to pay, while also trying to eliminate some of the callers > (The flop was pretty favorable for you as it wasn't co-ordinated at all except for > the two-flush). If you do raise it there, and a flush card comes up on the turn, > they might check it to you looking to check-raise it, but you could always apt for > the free card. When the turn does bring the flush however; and the SB bets and the BB > calls, and you raise it.....unless you think that one of your opponents is capable of > laying down a flush on this street or the river when you don't improve to a full > house...(then your raise has lost its value). There's also that possibility of > someone holding Q-9, too. > > Hand No.2: > > A-K suited: Well played throughout. Great flop for your holding even if you are > behind at this point, which I doubt. You made the most of it here. > > Hand No.3: > > Pocket fives: Limping in with small pairs is okay to do in the right position, for a > cheap price, in non-aggresive type games, but when the flop comes up K-10-9, you need > to throw it away when faced with a bet. It doesn't mean anything that the flop was > rainbow- this is not a good flop (or the right flop), to peel off another card. The > board is highly co-ordinated here, and even if you get in for one small bet; if you > turn your set and the board pairs on the river, you could still lose unless you river > quads. Get in cheap with the hand, and get out cheap when it misses you completely. > > > The best way for you to battle back when your session gets off to a rough start, is > to play as if you just started - you're not up or down - you are even. You should > think about the hands that you've played and look to see if you need to make some > corrections and/or adjustments in your game - but you must put any of those bad beats > behind you and just keep a mental note on how all the hands were played out. The only > thing you need to do is to always play your best while making correct decisions each > and every time, and to never stray from that mind-set. Focus and self-discipline is > the only way to go. There are no substitutions. Don't go chasing a loss just to see > if you can get lucky on a particular hand or two - (I'm not saying that you did > that), but if a player falls into that trap, nothing will be clear to him, at all, > and the ditch will only get bigger. > > > hope this helps. > > > 4P- | ||
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