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 how to play kk, holleywood, 28. Oct 2003 23:32 | ||
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| the last three times i have played kk i have raised then just to be reraised. i play back all in and then get called just to see AA. Am i playing this poorly | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, modestmice, 28. Oct 2003 23:49 | ||
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| 3 times they have AA? man that sucks. just luck really, wouldnt worry bout it | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, KJo, 29. Oct 2003 13:25 | ||
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| all 3 times they had AA? You might be the unluckiest man on earth. We figured the math a while ago that for every 100 or so times you have KK, someone else will have AA. Odds of it 3 times are astronomical. Eli on 28. Oct 2003 23:32 holleywood wrote: > the last three times i have played kk i have raised then just to be reraised. i > play back all in and then get called just to see AA. Am i playing this poorly | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, Roy Cooke, 29. Oct 2003 13:29 | ||
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| Actually it is around 25-1 when you have KK someone has AA in a 10 handed hold'em game! Roy Cooke on 29. Oct 2003 13:25 KJo wrote: > all 3 times they had AA? You might be the unluckiest man on earth. We figured the > math a while ago that for every 100 or so times you have KK, someone else will have > AA. Odds of it 3 times are astronomical. > > Eli > > on 28. Oct 2003 23:32 holleywood wrote: > > the last three times i have played kk i have raised then just to be reraised. i > > > play back all in and then get called just to see AA. Am i playing this poorly | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, KJo, 29. Oct 2003 17:37 | ||
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| oops, you're right. I always did suck at stats. Eli on 29. Oct 2003 13:29 Roy Cooke wrote: > Actually it is around 25-1 when you have KK someone has AA in a 10 handed hold'em game! > > Roy Cooke > > > on 29. Oct 2003 13:25 KJo wrote: > > all 3 times they had AA? You might be the unluckiest man on earth. We figured the > > math a while ago that for every 100 or so times you have KK, someone else will have > > AA. Odds of it 3 times are astronomical. > > > > Eli > > > > on 28. Oct 2003 23:32 holleywood wrote: > > > the last three times i have played kk i have raised then just to be reraised. i > > > > > play back all in and then get called just to see AA. Am i playing this poorly | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, noiseboy, 29. Oct 2003 14:41 | ||
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| Umm, that' s just one of those times you will likely lose all or most of the chips in front of you. If you don't, you are probably doing it wrong. Wow, the last three times, that's rough. It happened to me recently, lost about $200.00. | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, mkpoker, 29. Oct 2003 15:11 | ||
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| By my (probably wildly off) estimates, the odds that someone holds AA when you hold KK three times in a row is greater than 15,000:1. Yikes. | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, holleywood, 29. Oct 2003 23:48 | ||
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| well after playing today...i have decided to take a day off tomorrow as i cant seem to get it right! Granted i have made money and more importantly love this game of poker. i think its the poker god saying that i need to step back and take a breather. After being delt AA and losing to KK and costing me $100....i know the cards arent out to get me or anything but i can say that playing AA or KK is starting to scare me. i just want to go back to the good old days when getting AA and KK put a smile on my face! : ) oh well goodnight fellas and thanks for telling me that getting beat w/AA has just been a bad run | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), Aisthesis, 29. Oct 2003 22:18 | ||
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| This was a ring play hand I had a while back and still wonder about. $25 NL table, no noticeable crazies. I have AA in early position and raise, a player (MP) whom I view as strong-aggressive re-raises. I raise back to him, etc. I can't really remember who stopped the raising battle, but in any case we have the pot at around $6-7 by the time we're done. I'm putting him on KK probably, perhaps AKs. But since I have 2 of the aces, I'm thinking probably KK. Flop comes up KXX, which I don't like at all. But I figure with overpair, I still need to bet aggressively. So I bet out pot, to which my opponent responds with an all-in raise. I figure he does indeed have KK and fold (saving, or so I think, about half my chips). After the hand in chat, he said he had AA as well. So, unless he was pulling my leg (in context, I don't think he was, but ya never know), my fold was in point of fact bad, since we would have split the pot. Did I really need to fold or not? I will say that, if I hadn't had the aces myself, I probably indeed would have guessed him for AA pre-flop but considered that improbable in light of my own holdings. But before the flop was shown, I figured his betting was more consistent with KK than with AKs (I think with AKs this guy would have raised at most 1 time and probably just called my initial raise). | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), Schuster, 29. Oct 2003 22:29 | ||
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| It's my experience that if someone gets into a raising war at the low buy in tables, they'll call an all in. You had the chance to get it all in before the flop from what it sounds like, you definately should have taken it. Lee | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), 4 POKER, 29. Oct 2003 22:45 | ||
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| I agree with Lee. If I'm heads up and my opponent has no quams about raising and re-raising me, then I'm going to push all-in before the flop, before he gets the chance to just call. When he comes back at you the second time, just push all in. He apparently has something strong enough to call you here, so why not take advantage of it. It takes all the guess work out of the way, and you're the favorite besides. And you're an even bigger favorite pre-flop if he has a pair, (which is a likely holding for him here)opposed to him holding two random cards; and if he happens to hold AK, he'd be a big underdog. 4P- | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), Aisthesis, 30. Oct 2003 00:18 | ||
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| Thanks, that does make a lot of sense. Moral of the story, then: If you get a re-raise to your raise with AA, go ahead and hit the all-in button. I'm assuming this applies less to KK? Unless one has seen (or has good reason to believe) that the opponent is raising hands other than just AA or KK, maybe just call a moderate re-raise (here, too, I'm assuming one re-raise is a little early to give up the ship on KK even if you suspect possible AA) and see what flops? | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), shorn, 30. Oct 2003 06:14 | ||
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| Definitely get all your chips in pre-flop with AA if you can. No WAY do it with KK. In fact, if you raise the standard 4x or 5x with KK and someone comes over top of you, you should just call (or fold if you know the player to be a tightwad who will only do that with AA). Even if the re-raiser only has KK, he still has 3 outs to beat you. | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), Aisthesis, 30. Oct 2003 09:38 | ||
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| Last line on shorn's comment should be AK rather than KK (I wondered about that a moment until I figured out the typo). Everything's clear to me, I think, on KK now. But one thing I at least wanted to mention on AA: I am indeed striving for all-in on AA... Can lose, but why not, since it's the best possible hand... The reason I have often gotten into these small-raise battles (and typically just raise on it by 1 BB--another mistake?) is to prime my opponent for the all-in and, in the usual case where I do get a few callers to a 1xBB raise, then win more money when I (hopefully) win the hand later on. And if a lot of people have folded before me, I'll often just limp on AA so as not to scare anyone else off prematurely. In light of what you guys are saying, I'm thinking my whole strategy here is probably off. So, trying to generalize as much as possible, this might be the "new and improved" strategy: 1) Bet enough on AA that you can expect in light of your read of the table to normally get only 1 caller. 2) If there are already quite a few players in (more than 4?), be more inclined to err on the high side, betting enough to make everyone fold right there. 3) If this bet gets a re-raise, immediately go all-in, no exceptions. | ||
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| Re: how to play kk (the opposite experience, kind of), Schuster, 30. Oct 2003 10:01 | ||
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| A reraise of only 1 big blind is way too small. When thinking about raises in no limit, think pot size or close. You don't want to give someone good odds to outdraw you. If you raise 3 BB and someone plays back at the minimum, go ahead and make it about 7 more (12 total), if not more. If you can get all in, do it, and if there is already a lot of money in the pot, don't worry so much if you don't get a caller. Lee | ||
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| Re: how to play kk, Para13, 30. Oct 2003 08:44 | ||
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| Indeed no. Sounds like you're on the bad end of the luck. That really doesn't happen that often at all. I play very strong with pocket Kings. DMJ | ||
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