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 Opponents perception of you, Roy Cooke, 28. Oct 2003 08:12 | ||
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| An important concept often overlooked by many poker writers is judging how your opponents perceive your thinking at the table. If you can gauge this accurately, it will help immensely as far as reading hands is concerned. Most of your opponents will not go back to far with their impressions. Think about it and utilize it! Life is Good :-) Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, Phish, 28. Oct 2003 09:14 | ||
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| And it's actually a very complicated question about what is the best image to have. Malmuth has argued that you'd like to have a tight image so you can bluff more. But the problem is it encourages other people to bluff you more also. Last thing you want is to have people inspired to make plays against you. (You always prefer your opponents passive and predictible. No exceptions.) I would think that a tight image is probably best if you're already playing with timid tight players. Their tendency is not to make moves anyway, and you will be able to bluff them easier with a tight image. But against smarter players, you would prefer an image of one who is unpredictible and a little wacko. So that if they're contemplating a bet, there is a very good chance they will get checkraised. And sometimes you may have the nuts, sometimes just a marginally better hand, sometimes absolutely nothing. And an image as a bit of an aggressive 'calling station' isn't bad either. (You don't actually want to be anything like a calling station, but having people think you're one, but with the tendency to sandbag, will actually keep your opponents more controllable.) | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, Aisthesis, 28. Oct 2003 09:20 | ||
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| Very true as to what image it would be nice to have at various tables, but how do you get such an image without losing all you money??!! (particularly the calling station image????) | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, Schuster, 28. Oct 2003 09:39 | ||
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| I generally don't try to establish a particular image when I first get to a table, I play my cards how I think they should be played not knowing anyone and then after a little while and after I get to know my opponents, I think about what image those cards have been portraying. Maybe I've been getting a lot of hands worht raising and I might seem a bit of a maniac. Maybe I've had a lot of draws in multiway pots and I seem weak tight, checking and calling then folding on the river when I miss. Maybe I've caught a lot of check/call hands and I look like a calling station. Not a hand in sight yet? I must be a rock. Then I try to figure out those of my opponents who will actually pay attention to my play, and use the image I think I have in future decisions, and also tinker this based on my opponents. I play mostly online, so it's not uncommon to come across a table full of new faces, and each time I sit down, I can aquire a new image for the table. Lee | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, Aisthesis, 28. Oct 2003 09:47 | ||
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| That makes a lot of sense. Maybe one can push a little bit one way or the other depending on opponents, but ultimately, at least in my own limited experience, if I start trying to go against the grain of the hands I'm getting, I start losing money. | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, mkpoker, 28. Oct 2003 09:44 | ||
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| I'm going to advance the somewhat sacriligious view that at LLHE, opponents perception of you matters little. IMHO, LLHE players' actions are governed almost exclusively by 1) their own cards and 2) their personality and predilictions (e.g. if they're "calling stations," they'll call to the river regardless of the "image" their opponent exudes). In my experience, it's a rare LLHE player who'll make strategic adjustments based their perception of particular opponent (of course, I try to be one of those "rare" players--with limited success, lol). Every now and then, someone posts on UPF about making a LLHE move to "vary their play" or "shape their table image." IMHO, these plays are almost always incorrect for the simple reason that most LL opponents aren't sophistocated enough to pick up on them. It's just my .02, but my advice for LLHE players is to focus on making the right plays for the right reasons at the present time. Don't hope for a payoff down the road in the expectation of having developed a certain image. Those ploys certainly work at middle and high-limit, but not for LL. | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, Denver, 28. Oct 2003 09:51 | ||
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| I like your post mk, and I'm wondering at what limit would this texture start to become the exception rather than the rule? 5/10? I'm just interested in knowing at what limit you'll find it tough to find a "typical LLHE game" being played. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, Aisthesis, 28. Oct 2003 10:05 | ||
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| I disagree here, although not entirely. On the average, at the LL tables, I think there are about 2-3 players who make such adjustments (I see it happen all the time). The rest are pretty much as you say. The one big exception is if someone is on a roll, then everyone notices. And if you win a few big hands in fairly quick succession, then even the unobservant players note that you only play winning hands. As soon as you've conveyed this impression, it becomes WAY easier to buy pots, because everybody's running scared. | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, modestmice, 28. Oct 2003 10:09 | ||
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| what your not getting is that even in low limit, players make unconcious decisions based on emotional stimuli. i've had players come after me as if ona vendeta and had players practically give me their chips depending on my image at the time. in low limit more then anywhere else, players act more emotional than rational in their actions. i think that projecting a certain image to your opponents is important at any level, and is just a way to manipulate your opponents. it makes it easier to do if they are sheep. people are always saying that this or that doesnt apply to low level holdem. thats not accurate in this case. every little detail helps to become a better player. | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, gary ford, 28. Oct 2003 12:57 | ||
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| on 28. Oct 2003 10:09 modestmice wrote: > what your not getting is that even in low limit, players make unconcious decisions based > on emotional stimuli. i've had players come after me as if ona vendeta and had players > practically give me their chips depending on my image at the time. in low limit more then > anywhere else, players act more emotional than rational in their actions. i think that > projecting a certain image to your opponents is important at any level, and is just a way > to manipulate your opponents. it makes it easier to do if they are sheep. people are > always saying that this or that doesnt apply to low level holdem. thats not accurate in > this case. > every little detail helps to become a better player i generally stay away from personal examples but,,,,, this one fits. I like to befriend people at the table by being pleasant and interesting--especially with younger players, despite my crank reputation. The other day i was playing next to a muscular, tatooed truck driver who suddenly said to me in the middle of a pot " I dont mind giving my money to you, youre a good guy" I smiled meekly and took his money > | ||
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| Re: Opponents perception of you, modestmice, 28. Oct 2003 13:04 | ||
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| thats the way gary...thats exactly my way. im the table funny guy/jackass (suprise) and people like to give me chips. if the table is having a good time, its a good table moneywise to be at. the adam the experts method of pissing people off seems counterproductive to me. another thing i do is wear my horseracing gear and people always want to talk shop about trifectas exactas etc, so they always think im a gambler type and not a sharp poker player. | ||
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