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 When to leave?, FlopDaNutz, 27. Oct 2003 08:20 | ||
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| My biggest problem in poker is staying at a table too long. I've been getting better and better at NLHE but lately I seem to keep giving my money back. I must be getting dumber at the same time. I almost always sit at $25 NL tables at partypoker. At almost any given session I get up at least twice my buy in. When I am "onto" a player or two and taking their money, i fell I should stick around and try to win more. Whenever I start to win, I start to get greedy. Sometimes I loosen up my play a little. Not too careless though. For example, last night I sat down with $25. After about 2 hours I was up to 60. after 3 hours I was up to $100. I was getting tired and should have went to bed but I said I would stay around until BB and see some free cards. So, after winning consistently all night, i get dealt AA in LP and raise the blinds to $5. 3 callers and flop comes out KQ7 rainbow. Check to me, I bet 15 to see if anyone has 2 pair and I get 1 caller. 2 on turn. I check he bets 10 I call. River K he bets 10 again, I figured he has 3 K's now or a boat, but I am deep in the pot so I throw 10 more to see his cards. He had K5 and rivered hsi trips. Anyway, this happens all the time, I wasnt upset about that, but the next hand I get dealt something playable and ended up losing another 30-35 on the river. At this point I am down from $100 to about $25. I am so pissed at this point I stick around to try and win my money back and I went broke within 10 hands. I didn't go on tilt. I actually tightened up because people would think I was on tilt, but I played my hands smart. I know your laughing cause I say smart but I went broke but after a few bad beats and a string of crap cards, 25 doesnt last long. What I am getting at is when do I leave the table? Like I said, almos every session I get up to about $40 but when I stick around to try and when more, because I know I can, I end up losing it eventually. SHould I set a limit? Lets say, 45 or $50. If I get above that then cash out or leave table? quit for the day and do it again tomorrow? I hardly ever set limits for winning or losing at a table and when I do, I never go by them. I'll tell myself I am leaving if I win $50 and I end up staying at table to try and win more and go broke. This happens to me 3 times a week. Please adivse! | ||
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| Re: When to leave?, Blade, 27. Oct 2003 08:27 | ||
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| I set a time limit for myself and stick to it regardless. Note for many players this is completely wrong but I have found that for myself I play better this way. I like to set limits at about 4hrs but if I feeling worn down slightly I will put it at two. If I find myself thinking about how much I am up or down I leave. I probably miss out on some good tables here and there but as of yet there has always been plenty of fish in the sea | ||
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| Re: When to leave?, FlopDaNutz, 27. Oct 2003 08:55 | ||
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| Not sure a time limit would work for me. SOmetimes I get up right away and other times I will haev to re buy-in once or twice before I start winning, then I usually go on a streak and get up. Unfortunately that streak always ends and heads downhill very fast....more like driving off a cliff. What I need to do is determine when that is going to happen and get out while I am up, even if I am only up a little, it is better than losing a lot. | ||
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| Re: When to leave?, Aisthesis, 27. Oct 2003 20:44 | ||
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| I had some success with a money limit rather than time limit for a while. If I doubled my money or went broke at a table, I'd just switch tables. At the moment, I've kind of backed off from that because at tables where I have done pretty well, I've been able to build on my bankroll and use my chip advantage. But if you're having problems with it (it can definitely lead you to get sloppy if you're not careful), you might try the other for a while. In ring play, in addition to the temptation to get sloppy, the one thing I don't like about having a big bankroll is that you have less limitations on your losses if you call an all-in and lose. But on the whole having a big bankroll has got to be more of an advantage than disadvantage. | ||
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| Re: When to leave?, Stan Chraminski, 30. Oct 2003 09:22 | ||
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| I've done best when I look to quit after I double my money. Maybe play a hand or two more to see if streak continues but it it looks like it's turning, get out. Luck doesn't last. Same thing in Bj in casino etc. When I hang around longer I start to lose it back. My problem is when I lose fast at the beginning with no cards and/or bad beats, should I jump back in to another table? Seems my bad luck follows me and I should quit for the day after I lose one stake. Chasing doesn't seem to work often. Had such bad luck yesterday that I even went to play money and didn't win a hand for 45 minutes - that's hard to do.... | ||
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| Re: When to leave?, WilliamS, 30. Oct 2003 09:46 | ||
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| Stan wrote I've done best when I look to quit after I double my money. Maybe play a hand or two more to see if streak continues but it it looks like it's turning, get out. Luck doesn't last. Stan, I don't mean to be critical but this concept is fundamentally flawed if you view poker to have a long term positve EV for yourself. If a player is profitable there is no logical reason to get up and leave after a "run" of good cards. Actually, it is probably as good a situation as there is for a competent player. Your table image is solid, people respect your play, and you have the confidence of your short term success to give you an added boost. Now, if a player has a negative expectation and gets run over by the deck for a period of time I agree there is merit in taking a short term profit home (and buying some tools to become a better player) I still believe it is a personal decision based on how you "feel" at the time. If a player is prone to locking down and scared he will give back his money if he stays; he should leave. Not because some supernatural force is against him, but because he can't play at an optimal level if he is playing "to lock down" a win (similar to scared money). But if that player can continue to play optimally, he should stay and play as long as time, responsibilities, and his faculties allow. Thanks William | ||
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| Re: When to leave?, KevinK, 6. Nov 2003 10:48 | ||
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| I think Dan Negreanu says it best regarding this. "Play hours, not results." If you're hot, play while it goes on. But be prepared to get out when the rush ends. | ||
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