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 Good fold?, iceman5, 25. Oct 2003 12:36 | ||
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| Im trying to work on not becoming in love with my cards too much. What do you think about this fold? I have K9 in the BB. The pot is unraised with my and 2 EP players. The flop is KJ4 rainbow. I bet, UTG calls, other EP raises. I call, UTG Calls. Turn is another K. I check ( not sure if thei is correct but I think the raiser has KQ or KJ). UTG bets and raiser raises again. I fold my 3 K's. I dont think he has AK because he didnt raise preflop, but if he has KJ Im dead and if he has KQ, I only have 3 outs. Not too mention I have no idea what the UTG has. Actually after putting this into words, Im sure this was a good fold. Agree? | ||
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| Re: Good fold?, modestmice, 25. Oct 2003 13:07 | ||
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| i personally would not fold considering the preflop action. the raiser may just have a king with a worse kicker. i think your giving your opponent a lot of credit for having a better kicker than yours (i guess he was a rock?) i would really want to go all the way with this one. he may have pocket 4s as well, but whatever. i would make the decision to fold or play based on my read of the player IF it were very strong, otherwise i wouldnt think about it and just go to the river. also, i would have bet out the turn, and capped it back to me if raise-re raise. (im aggressive) ive seen the same kind of action ina 3 way and theyve flipped over, say, AJ, or K-5s. you never know. they figure their K-5 is good and raise the hell out of it.... | ||
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| Re: Good fold?, Blade, 25. Oct 2003 15:38 | ||
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| I would have checked called but probably would have stayed in with the 9 unless I knew that this player would not play K any. He could easily have a lower kicker any over playing his hand which is what players who play any K do. | ||
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| Re: Good fold?, Brian462, 25. Oct 2003 18:36 | ||
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| I completely agree. | ||
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| Re: Good fold?, PairTheBoard, 25. Oct 2003 16:46 | ||
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| I think it depends on what these players are like. What have they been limping with pre-flop. If you haven't seen their cards, what has been their frequency of limping pre-flop, especially in early position. Are they agressive, hyper-agressive, semi-passive, or passive? Have they made many turn raises up till now? Do they usually just quickly fold against a bet with a scary board like this? Or do they habitually scare bet and try to represent big hands? What type of table has this been in general? Has there been a lot of agressive action all the way around? The turn raiser is your main worry since he also raised the flop. Is this a player who likes to make big moves? Is he a player who may have put you on betting second pair on the flop with UTG weakly calling, so that your check and the Gun's bet on the turn looks weak enough so that neither one of you can call a raise? You are being asked to commit probably 3 BB's to win a 9 BB pot. If the turn raiser normally plays tight pre-flop, rarely limping in early position, and rarely makes fancy moves or gets out of line, and normally just folds in a situation like this, then you are probably outkicked, up against Jacks Full, or drawing dead. You also don't now about the UTG player. He could have JJ and slow played the flop. When I'm in the blind and look down at a hand like K,J or even worse K,9 I think to myself, well this is a nice hand. It's got some potential. Just enough to get me into some serious trouble. Be very careful with this hand, self. All in all, I can see situations where a lay down here is called for. But going along with modestmice, I would not give up the trip Kings easily. | ||
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| Re: Good fold?, shorn, 27. Oct 2003 09:58 | ||
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| You have to put at least one of the players on a King. Additionally, if you flat call the raise, the UTG player (if he is the one with a King) can 3-bet you and then it is going to be capped (I actually would put the raiser on AA that he slow played as why would someone with KJ raise the turn with you still around?). So, I would most likely fold my three Kings for two bets here. If it was heads up, then I would re-raise, but the existence of that third player who led both times is the deciding factor for me to fold. | ||
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