|
||
|
||
|
Server Time: 9/5/2008 5:10:41 PM PACIFIC |
 Hand-reading impossibilities, Angel, 24. Oct 2003 21:25 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| In discussions I've seen regarding proper play and adjustments one might make in playing in loose, low limit games aka 'no foldem holdem', I've seen what amounts to (imo) some pretty good advice - as well as a bit of not so good advice. What I've never seen is mention of the fact that hand reading ability, one of the greatest tools in a good players arsenal is pretty much useless. I might be able to put 'Roger the Rock' on AA or KK if he raises UTG or "Any pair Andy" on any pair - but it's pretty hard to put a guy on a hand that has played 437 consecutive hands to the river. Anyway - perhaps it was too obvious to point out which is why I haven't read it before, but I always like to know the 'whys'; it helps me to make decisions when the real life examples weren't in the book. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Hand-reading impossibilities, KJo, 25. Oct 2003 10:55 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| This is mostly true, hand reading is very difficult in these games, but there are different tacks that can be taken. There's one I like to call the "Shiny Card Syndrome." There's the type of fish that loves the gamble- and they'll often be very impressed with the big and pretty cards (QJs, Axs, JTs, etc.) Always suited. I can usually pick out the players who will raise with these hands pre-flop but won't raise with AKo, AA or KK (likely because "my aces always get cracked"). What these players do on the flop after they raise pre-flop will often tell you exactly what they have. Eli on 24. Oct 2003 21:25 Angel wrote: > In discussions I've seen regarding proper play and adjustments one might make in > playing in loose, low limit games aka 'no foldem holdem', I've seen what amounts > to (imo) some pretty good advice - as well as a bit of not so good advice. > What I've never seen is mention of the fact that hand reading ability, one of > the greatest tools in a good players arsenal is pretty much useless. I might be > able to put 'Roger the Rock' on AA or KK if he raises UTG or "Any pair Andy" on > any pair - but it's pretty hard to put a guy on a hand that has played 437 > consecutive hands to the river. Anyway - perhaps it was too obvious to point > out which is why I haven't read it before, but I always like to know the 'whys'; > it helps me to make decisions when the real life examples weren't in the book. | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Hand-reading impossibilities, Barry T, 25. Oct 2003 10:59 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| Hi. Yes, indeed, it is harder to read the hands of people who barely glance at their own hand before they throw in chips at every street. But there are still things you can look for: 1 - Does this person raise pre-flop with any hand or hands? Some any-2 players raise with only very good hnads, while others raise with the top 20 percent (anything you might ever play). You can draw negative inferences from this. 2 - How do they treat good hands, especially on the turn. A lot of players call the flop with any two as well. But what do they need to raise? In early position a lead bet by some of these folks indicates two pair or better. Others will bet a draw, but most won't.. Which one are you facing? 3 - What does a check-raise mean? 4 - What does a raise on the flop mean? For some it always means top pair or better. For others, it means any pair. For others, a big draw. If you have a player who raises (or leads) with a flush draw and he does not do these things, you can safely bet the river when the flush card comes. Many other reads possible. Not as easy to read as a rock, but there is information available if oyu look for it. BarryT | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| Re: Hand-reading impossibilities, Mark, 25. Oct 2003 11:06 | ||
| View ( Message | Thread ) | Return to Thread List | |
| I typically play 3-6 up to 10-20 online, with most of my time being spent in a sometimes very loose 5-10 game. While i do see players who play every hand, i do still believe that you can read their hands to an extent. for instance, this morning i was playing in ram and jam 10 handed $5-10 game. This one player played Every hand and would call to at least see the river, and still called a river bet with no pair ace high. You couldn't put him on a hand pre-flop, but he would raise or check raise the flop with any top pair or better. While you couldn't specify exactly what he had, you could easily eliminate certain hands from his holdings and always knew when you were holding a winner. I could not specify what he was holding with any degree of certainty, but i always knew when to value bet. In this way, i believe reading hands does still have value at lower limits. Mark | ||
| Return to Thread List | ||
| POKER FORUM HOME | POKER FORUM | LINK TO US | ARCHIVE | ONLINE POKER | Copyright 2002, United Poker Forum |
|
Getting Started |
UPF Tournaments |
Poker News, Views, Rules |
Poker Strategy & Psychology |
Money and Bankroll Poker Bonuses & Promotions | World Series of Poker (WSOP) | Play Online Poker | Poker Odds & Statistics | Tournament Poker | Poker Books, Videos & Learning Tools Looking for a Poker Game | Poker Bad Beats | Not Quite Poker | Quizzes and Polls | Forum Suggestions & Bugs |
|
|
|
|
Interesting Links: Online Poker | Free Poker Games | United Poker Network |
|