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 New Poker player getting whipped, Robert M, 24. Oct 2003 14:50 | ||
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| I have been playing for a few years, but only recently have I began to take a more analytical look at my own game. I have learned alot from this website and other websites, and have made my game stronger, tighter. Anyways I logged onto Pacific Poker for the first time in a while and before I made a deposit, I noticed I had an 83 cent balance. What the hell, I play .5/.10 and in 10 minutes I had $10. After 2 hours I had $150 on 3/6 table. I wanted to play tight, but I had best hand after every flop. Also the other players on this site are really predictable. Then the wheels fly off. It's my usual story. I have AK, on BB, 3 Raise. Player to my left has been calling w/crap all night. Flop is K,9,Q all offsuit. I bet he calls. Turn is Q. No flushes left. Pot is huge, (3 players left). I bet (I have already determined he had no straight, he was an easy read after awhile). He raises, other player folds and I call. River is 9. You got it, he tripps up on the river with a 94o. I lose big. I was probably playing above my bankroll and slowly limped down to nothing left in 30 minutes. So I know that was a bad beat, but it always happens that way. My swings are too big, I read good, I value raise, I get beat on a river (inside straight, runner flush, whatever). Does anyone have any advice as to how to limit their losses. Thanks ---------------R | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, Robert M, 24. Oct 2003 14:54 | ||
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| Oh I forgot to mention, it was a short handed game, 4 or 5 players I think. | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, modestmice, 24. Oct 2003 15:03 | ||
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| hey dude. your playing online shorthanded 3-6 with 150 bucks? hmmm. ----------------------------------------------------- "I prefer talking with old persons of the female sex who peddle family gossip; next, with the insane-and last, with very sensible people" -S. Kierkegaard | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, modestmice, 24. Oct 2003 15:02 | ||
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| hey dude. your playing online 3-6 with a 150 bucks? hmmm. ----------------------------------------------------- "I prefer talking with old persons of the female sex who peddle family gossip; next, with the insane-and last, with very sensible people" -S. Kierkegaard | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, Robert M, 24. Oct 2003 15:13 | ||
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| I guess that was a mistake? 150 always does me well at B&M. I guess shorthanded I get a little exposed, but my strongest skill is reading others, so I think I still have an advantage. No? p.s. Thanks for the reply | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, modestmice, 24. Oct 2003 15:16 | ||
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| yeah thats not enuf to handle the swings. if reading people is your stongest skill, i would play live more. if your online bank was 150, then i woulda either played sitngos or 1-2. | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, 4 POKER, 24. Oct 2003 16:13 | ||
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| Hi Robert, It's very hard to play $3-6 with only a $150 (total) bankroll. When the game is shorthanded, the swings can be even greater because your blinds are coming around alot faster here, and you're probably going to be playing more hands. Shorthanded hold-em players will routinely raise with just Ace high and King high pre-flop, so the action will be faster and with less quality of starting hands as well. But whether you were playing in a shorthanded game or a full 10 player game, you (*anyone*) could easily lose that $150 in the blink of an eye, no matter how well you play, and especially when you are playing on-line poker where the pace of the game is so much faster than in a live cardroom. If you want to know how to keep your losses at a minimum, than keep your bankroll in mind before you come to the decision of what limits will be the best way to protect it, and to also give it a chance to grow; because losing $150 in a shorthanded $3-6 game is nothing to beat yourself over the head about. (but......) it's also very hard mentally to even think about keeping your losses at a minimum, when the limit you chose is way beyond your bankroll. You don't want to be playing that limit with 150 bucks total BR, lose 50, and then just say, "well, I think I should cut my losses here". That would indicate to me that the limit was too high for you to begin with- not for your skill level perhaps- but for your bankroll. Swings occur in poker, and you need to be able to "rough through them" sometimes especially when you're in a game where you stand to earn money. What you do want to do is, to play in a game where you're comfortable at, and that your bankroll can handle the possible swings and losses that often occur in poker. We all go through losing sessions- but anytime you or anyone else puts their entire bankroll "up for grabs" (or to re-phrase that: "At risk"), just to play at a *much higher limit*.......then losing it all can definitely happen to anyone. If I were you, I would try to see if I could build up a healthier bankroll first, and then move up to the next limit....so on and so on. Good luck to you. 4P- | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, Robert M, 24. Oct 2003 17:01 | ||
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| Thanx alot, I love this site. I guess that I need the bigger roll so that when the chasers chase, I win most of the time, but can also sustain a few bad beats and then recoup. Oh well, 83 cents down the tube. lol | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, modestmice, 24. Oct 2003 17:05 | ||
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| sorry, dude, i forgot to commend one that kickass rush you went on. 83 cents to 150 is just insane. you must be decent if u can pull that off. just keep rollin, but get a decent bankroll ----------------------------------------------------- "I prefer talking with old persons of the female sex who peddle family gossip; next, with the insane-and last, with very sensible people" -S. Kierkegaard | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, 4 POKER, 24. Oct 2003 18:17 | ||
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| on 24. Oct 2003 17:01 Robert M wrote: > Thanx alot, I love this site. I guess that I need the bigger roll so that when the > chasers chase, I win most of the time, but can also sustain a few bad beats and then > recoup. Oh well, 83 cents down the tube. lol I thought you had $150, no? Granted, you started with a heck of a lot less, (83 cents to be exact!)......and you managed to build it up all the way to $150, and that is *great*, it truly is, but keep in mind.....the money that you earned from that, that *got* you to that $150 mark....is also your money--- you earned it. (But you'll build it back up in no time. hang in there: ) 4P- | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, ReMMy, 25. Oct 2003 13:20 | ||
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| I know 4Poker already stated this, but just to empahasize, You did not lose 83 cents, you lost $150. Granted you got to 150 by playing above your limit anyways, and while people often go on crazy rushes by continually moving up and playing above your limits, you also basically guarantee you will go broke, because EVERYONE runs bad at some point, and if you always play above your limits, when you do run bad, you go broke, plain and simple. This is along the same lines as "Money not lost spends just as good as money won". Keep at it though and you'll be back up in no time! Good luck, ReMMy | ||
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| Re: New Poker player getting whipped, Formless, 24. Oct 2003 18:01 | ||
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| Playing shorthanded with a bankroll of 25 big bets at a raked table makes it a near mathematical certainty you will go broke, sometimes even if you are the best player there. And if you always move up in limits once you run good, change 'near' to 'absolute'. Virtually every poker player has done this, no biggie. Also, it is very natural to loosen up and play worse when you are up, so remember this, and remember it's OK to leave the table when you are up. | ||
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