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 I thought Bad Beat, then I realized BAD PLAY! Part 1, Jordan, 24. Oct 2003 08:04 | ||
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| Last night I was playing my typical 4-8-12 game and I went up a little bit and decided to try my luck at the 2-5 pot limit game on the other side. Since most of these guys have anywhere from 500-1000+ dollars in front of them, I decide I'm going to play very tight and put in my money when I've got the best of it. I take $280 to the table hoping to double up. I find myself mucking most of my starting hands. I look down to my first playable hand and I make a pot size raise (50 bucks) with AJ suited in last position and nobody calls. Well at least I've got some respect I think. About 10 to 15 hands later I'm dealt AA in middle position (I think I'm seat 5 or 6). There are already a few callers and I remember my raise earlier and don't want to scare everybody off with a $50 dollar raise so I decide to get 'sneaky' and raise it $25. Well as I learned raising $25 is chump change to these guys. I get called by three people. At this point I'm already paranoid my Aces aren't going to stand up. The flop comes 2-2-3 with two spades. Phew, I'm good. 2 checks to me and then the guy right in front of me bets $50. I think 'What in the heck are you doing man'? (Now let me tell you the one thing I should have been thinking, You've played with this newbie over at the low limit table and he will play any two cards and is capable of drawing out on you at anytime--he had drawn out on me about 2 or 3 times earlier in our low limit game needing miracle cards to take down the pots.) I raise $100 to drive others out and b/c I believe I have the best hand. If he wants to draw he's going to pay for it. He calls me. The turn comes an offsuit 8 and he checks. I go all in for my remaining $95 and he calls. I turn over my Aces thinking I'm good and he turns over a Q2 of clubs. ( I guess he thought he'll draw to the potential Queen high flush for 25 bucks or something OR I can just get lucky and flop 2 deuces so I can beat pocket Aces--haha). I couldn't understand the stupidity in the play. At first I thought 'well that was the fastest $280 dollars I've lost and I was pretty ticked to see this guy turn over Q2 but then I realized I really brought this upon myself. Moral of this story: Either raise your hand what's it worth to get it down to the appropriate number of people or be prepared to deal with consequences of your 'tricky' raise. The only way I'd be justified in my anger is I raised it the maximum amount and got called by this hand heads-up. Then it'd be a bad beat. Otherwise, it's BAD PLAY! | ||
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| Re: I thought Bad Beat, then I realized BAD PLAY! Part 1, Denver, 24. Oct 2003 08:55 | ||
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| I learned a similar lesson last night during a UB SnG. I flopped trip J's and thought I'd string along a guy with a similar stack to extract maximum value. All I ended up doing was giving him the right price to land the nut straight. I thought I was lowering the boom on the river when, in fact, I was literally handing over my chips uncontested. He must've thought I was an idiot -- I know I did. I think I learned that if you're slow playing with anything less than the nut hand you're asking to be caught. I can slow play like this against the most awful of players, but when you get down to the bubble on a decent SnG you've got to be more protective of your stack. Nothing new to many of you I'm sure, but I'm still cutting my teeth on the nuances of NL and NL tourneys vs. Limit ring games which are, as advertised, vastly different. | ||
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| Re: I thought Bad Beat, then I realized BAD PLAY! Part 1, Jordan, 24. Oct 2003 09:27 | ||
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| Yeah, it's just so tempting to 'draw' somebody in and attempt to extract the most money from them but you just have to understand that anytime you do it, you are giving them a chance to hit their hand, no matter how bad their odds are. I definitely think slow-playing has its' place and time but it really hurts when they hit their crap to beat you. The risk/reward proposition is what's really most important. Since that pot limit game is over my head bankroll wise I've decided I'm going to put all my money in when I have the best hand and hope to get called by weaker hands. I'm not going to let somebody in for cheap and hit their hands. | ||
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| Re: I thought Bad Beat, then I realized BAD PLAY! Part 1, Eman, 24. Oct 2003 10:09 | ||
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| I agree, but if you slowplay the right players and at the right times. Its extremely profitable. One thing you have to ask yourself everytime is "What could he be holding?" Why did he call my bet? What are his tendencies? what kinda hands does he play? | ||
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